tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8308729492740986513.post4413297134703120876..comments2023-10-12T04:41:56.140-07:00Comments on Thesauros: Misplaced Trust In ScienceThesauroshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13305052511095551483noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8308729492740986513.post-30765443561595058252013-07-24T07:41:43.603-07:002013-07-24T07:41:43.603-07:00As usual, you are conflating subjective, deductive...As usual, you are conflating subjective, deductive, and inductive truth. As you seem to be bored, here's some <a href="http://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2012/05/17/what_do_we_mean_by_scientific_truth_106273.html" rel="nofollow">reading matter </a> on it.<br /><br />As a hint:<br />Kindness and cruelty are societal categories, observably subject to changes over the years.<br />So are all ethical statements. The OT finds it legitimate to stone unruly children. Truth?<br /><br />Please show how mathematics and logic exist separately from matter. <br /><br />Metaphysical questions are subject to philosophical methodology, which is different from scientific methodology (see deductive truth) Science does not pretend to be able to end up with "truth", as it is connected to reality. Deductive thinking can be totally abstract ("All Gronks are green. Fred is a Gronk. Fred is green"), scientific thinking cannot, it has to begin with factual, intersubjective observation.<br /><br />Aesthetic, beauty and goodness - all those categories have undergone heavy changes over the last 40,000 years. Cf Venus of Wilmersdorff, Rubens, Schiele. What kind of a truth can change so much? But of course science can (and does)find explanations for those changes.<br /><br />"<i>why this mathematically precise, life-supporting, moral universe exists</i>"<br />Baal help me!<br /><i>mathematically precise</i> - <br />Well, mathematics is anything else but easy, transparent, and intuitive (have a look at Riemann functions and weep). Math is as complicated as the universe, derived from its structure (it has, e.g., nothing to do with counting)<br /><i>life-supporting</i><br />Practically all of the universe is deadly for life as we know it: merely vacuum, hard radiation, temperatures either -273,15° C or in the thousands. One tiny place, in a forgotten, off-center galaxy is inhabitable. You call that life-supporting?<br /><i>moral universe</i><br />Oh yes. Galaxies colliding, black holes eating suns, novae eating planets, and on-planet. one half of living beings eating the other one alive. What high-standing morals. <br />The only morals I can see are human-made. That doesn't make them less good, as they are by definition open to improvement. Which can be observed through all of history.Tobiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765785104566296906noreply@blogger.com