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Monday, July 25, 2011

Go To Hell!

“I condemn Christianity; I bring against the Christian Church the most terrible of all accusations that an accuser has ever had in his mouth. It is, to me, the greatest of all imaginable corruptions; it seeks to work the ultimate corruption, nothing is untouched by its depravity; it has turned every value into worthless, and every truth into a lie, and every integrity into baseless of the soul.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Hmm, if he had only named the evil by its true name - Sinful Human Nature - the same nature that works in the hearts of religious people who spread corruption within the Church, he would have been bang on. But of course, self-centred atheists like Nietzsche never look at themselves as being possible contributors to the world’s woes.

I saw a video of Hitchens cursing God because there was so much misery in the world: starving children, women being abused, raped and killed, wars and pestilence and such. Funny for someone who says he doesn’t believe that God exists. And of course, since God is out of the picture in atheist world, just whose fault must it be that 25,000 children die every single day from preventable means?

Yes - That’s right.

And because God agrees that our self-centred nature is to blame, a nature that we refuse to do anything about, there is going to be hell to pay.

Or, you can allow God to do something about your nature. Looking out for the interests of others, especially for those in need of compassion is the main value of Jesus the Christ.

Compassion - an attitude that nauseated both Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.
Compassion, a characteristic that works against survival of the fittest.

Jesus put others first and all followers of Jesus feel compelled to care for the interest of others. Paul said, “In humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.”

This is the radical message that Nietzsche hated. In the first century of Christianity, the Roman Empire ensured that enslaving humans was common place. Abortion was openly accepted as was leaving handicapped children in the gutter or the fields to die.

It was during this time that Jesus’ brother and follower James wrote, “Pure and lasting religion in the sight of God our Father means that we must care for orphans and widows in their troubles, and refuse to let the world corrupt us.” These Christians took abandoned infants from the gutters and adopted them. Out of compassion, the compassion that Jesus imparts to His followers, causes them both today and then to reach out to the poor, the sick and the homeless. All humans are seen as made in the image of God who gave them value, dignity and worth.

“[Because of Christianity] Many permanent legal reforms were set in motion. Licentious and cruel sports were checked; new legislation was ordered to protect the slave, the prisoner, the mutilated man, the outcast woman. Children were granted important legal rights. Infant exposure was abolished. Women were raised from a status of degradation to that of legal protection. Hospitals and orphanages were created to take care of foundlings.” Sherwood Wirt “The Social Conscience of the Evangelical”

And to this Christopher Hitchens, Nietzsche, Ayn Rand and other atheists say, “Religion poisons everything.”

It was the compassionate heart of the Christian that compels h/her to care for people that society has forgotten or rejected. It’s Christians who reached out to help the blind, the elderly, the mentally challenged, the handicapped, the poor when no one else would. And it is these people of compassion that modern atheists would like to do away with. Well, in hell they won’t have to worry about sitting with people whose main focus is compassion.

7 comments:

  1. [...]But of course, self-centred atheists like Nietzsche never look at themselves as being possible contributors to the world’s woes.

    If he thought that way I agree with you, but how can we know? It's simplistic of you to consider that, because one argues that religion causes harm, this person also means that religion causes all harm. Don't you see the subtle but important difference?

    I saw a video of Hitchens cursing God because there was so much misery in the world: starving children, women being abused, raped and killed, wars and pestilence and such. Funny for someone who says he doesn’t believe that God exists.

    What's funny is that you mock him for saying such thing. It is actually a reasonable way to show that if God existed, it would be absurd to claim that God is all-loving and wants to provide His creation with the best life possible. God is supposed to be able to choose to do whatever he wants to. We can thus conclude that God chooses to let the world in its current state. Of course, if all that matters is the afterlife, then who cares about what happens here on Earth, but that would also be absurd. It is also absurd to claim the following:

    And of course, since God is out of the picture in atheist world, just whose fault must it be that 25,000 children die every single day from preventable means?

    Yes - That’s right.

    And because God agrees that our self-centred nature is to blame, a nature that we refuse to do anything about, there is going to be hell to pay.


    Yes, that's right, we agree, in a way, that God is not the cause of the atrocities since it's us, humans, who do the harm. What is absurd is to not see that, if he is real, God is letting this happen. He chooses to. To what end? You just said that it's basically to punish us (there is going to be hell to pay)... or some other mysterious reasons that we cannot understand because we are just stupid fallible beings incapable of comprehending God's grandiose plan.

    Again, I need to insist, I am not blaming God, and I know Hitchens is not blaming God either, because God does not exist.

    Or, you can allow God to do something about your nature. Looking out for the interests of others, especially for those in need of compassion is the main value of Jesus the Christ.

    Yes, of course, compassion is great, and that's actually the basis of my morality I believe! I usually call it empathy so I think it is more or less a synonym.

    Compassion - an attitude that nauseated both Nietzsche and Ayn Rand.

    Again, if they thought that way I agree with you, but how can we know? Personally I don't know these individuals enough to know what their views on compassion were...

    Compassion, a characteristic that works against survival of the fittest.

    Hum, no... Species that survive better are species that cooperate, which is a form of compassion since animals that cooperate will take care of others as well as themselves.

    But, even if you were right, it's completely irrelevant. What you appear to be doing here is the dishonest association of 'belief in evolution' with 'we should apply natural selection to people'. It's absurd and disgusting. We are intelligent human beings, not primitive apes. I hope that's not what you meant, but I really don't see what else you were aiming at...

    Jesus put others first and all followers of Jesus feel compelled to care for the interest of others. Paul said, “In humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.”

    That's a good message by Paul. There are secular reasons to support it too though.

    This is the radical message that Nietzsche hated.

    Again... ok I won't repeat.

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  2. In the first century of Christianity, the Roman Empire ensured that enslaving humans was common place.

    That's interesting because the only way you can use the Bible to consider slavery as immoral is to twist it in such a way that you make your own personal interpretation come first. The OT is pretty clear on slavery and Jesus never corrected that. But again, it's not surprising since the people who wrote the Bible grew up with slavery and it was just normal for them.

    Abortion was openly accepted as was leaving handicapped children in the gutter or the fields to die.

    It's disgusting and we agree on that, so I don't see what insights Christianity brings.

    [...]we must care for orphans and widows in their troubles,
    [...] [They] took abandoned infants from the gutters and adopted them.
    [...]
    Out of compassion, [...]reach out to the poor, the sick and the homeless.
    [...] All humans [have] [...] value, dignity and worth.
    [...] Licentious and cruel sports were checked; new legislation was ordered to protect the slave, the prisoner, the mutilated man, the outcast woman. Children were granted important legal rights. Infant exposure was abolished. Women were raised from a status of degradation to that of legal protection. Hospitals and orphanages were created to take care of foundlings


    See, I remove the Jesus, God, and Christian parts and it still makes sense. Again, I don't see what insights Christianity brings. Compassion alone is sufficient.

    And to this Christopher Hitchens, Nietzsche, Ayn Rand and other atheists say, “Religion poisons everything.”

    Yep, that I completely agree with, to the extend that religion alone does not provide any added value. Yes, religion can yield good results, teach good values and encourage people to have compassion for others, etc... but I cannot think of 1 example that cannot be justified without religion.

    Can you think of one? I would really like to know...

    It was the compassionate heart of the Christian that compels h/her to care for people that society has forgotten or rejected. It’s Christians who reached out to help the blind, the elderly, the mentally challenged, the handicapped, the poor when no one else would.

    Yep, exactly my point ;-)

    Oh but wait, it's not over...

    And it is these people of compassion that modern atheists would like to do away with. Well, in hell they won’t have to worry about sitting with people whose main focus is compassion.

    After reading my comments, I am sure you would not include an atheist like me in this group of 'modern atheists' you mention. Right?

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  3. How come every Christian fundamentalist I meet is a Rand fan who believes in economic Darwinism?

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  4. How come every Christian fundamentalist I meet is a Rand fan who believes in economic Darwinism?

    Ironic isn't?

    ... and I am an Atheist who, from the little I know about her, agrees with her definition of Objectivism and Atheism, but not her economic views.

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  5. Bret - THAT is a really good question! It doesn't make any sense to me at all. I think it's ignorance supported by political ideology.
    Much more American than Canadian.

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  6. Much more American than Canadian.

    Truth.

    There's something in the water down here... which is why I drink milk.

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