-Atheist philosopher Bradley Monton defending ID as a scientific theory in his excellent book Seeking God in Science: An Atheist Defends Intelligent Design (Broadview Press, 2009).
-Agnostic mathematician David Berlinski attacking Darwinism (and constructively critiquing ID), inThe Deniable Darwin & other essays (Discovery Institute Press, 2009).
-Atheist philosopher Jerry Fodor and atheist cognitive scientist Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini attacking Darwinism in What Darwin Got Wrong (Profile, 2010).
-Atheist philosopher Thomas Nagel attacking Darwinism and defending ID in his article Public Education and Intelligent Design and in his recent book Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False.
-Philosopher and sociologist Steve Fuller, a secular humanist, defending ID in Dissent Over Descent: Intelligent Design’s Challenge to Darwinism (Icon, 2008), and Science vs Religion? Intelligent Design and the Problem of Evolution (Polity, 2007).
-Agnostic physician James Le Fanu challenging Darwinian materialism in Why Us? How Science Rediscovered the Mystery of Ourselves (Harper, 2009).
Apart from the above publications, there are various Darwin-doubters and ID proponents who are prominent in the blogosphere. These include:
-Atheist philosopher James Barham who openly rejects Darwinism and accepts the reality of teleology in nature.
-Dennis Jones, an agnostic ID proponent who runs his own blog devoted to ID and also runs a vibrant facebook discussion group.
Awesome, you finally understood that discussing evolution is not (only) dependent on religious belief. Great achievement!
ReplyDeleteNext post, why not list theists that believe ID is wrong?
I don't know of any.
ReplyDeleteThe point is not to be able to name them; the point is that you should be honest enough to say: yes, it's true, acceptance of the Theory of Evolution does not depend on one's religion.
ReplyDeleteAll 4 types exist:
- Belief in god and evolution
- Belief in god but not evolution
- No belief in god nor evolution
- No belief in god but belief in evolution
Now, if you really wanted examples, you could find them yourself by Googling obviously, but here's a few examples:
- Francis Collins Denies Intelligent Design
- Proponents of Theistic evolution
- Clergy members who use NCSE's material
...oh and I am engaged to one too, but ya you don't know her :-)
"engaged"
ReplyDeleteHey congratulations! Have you set a date yet?
Hugo, are you suggesting that if a person believes in evolution they can't believe in God or ID?
That of course is preposterous, for these reasons.
. Either matter is eternal (both science and philosophy have shown that it can’t be) OR
. The immaterial cause of matter is eternal. It's one or the other, and it's not the former.
. The cause of the universe coming into existence cannot be material / natural / scientific because at one point matter, energy and the laws that govern matter and energy did not exist in the space / time continuum.
This is intimately tied to evolution because:
1. We have a material universe, which could not have had a natural / scientific cause;
2. We have literally dozens of “just so” (Finely Tuned) constants and quantities that were put in place at Planck Time (10^-43 seconds), which also could not have had a natural / scientific cause;
3. We have formulated, coded, specified information that allows for the ability to replicate, being in the first replicating cell, which matter has never been shown to develop from non living matter or without Intelligent Design.
4. Without something from outside of nature bringing these things into being, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY LIFE TO EVOLVE - in fact without the second point, there wouldn’t be any universe at all.
Hey congratulations! Have you set a date yet?
ReplyDeleteThanks!
We have a range; somewhere in January/February 2014, so still plenty of time ahead... They need to verify their calendars because Bengali Hindu weddings happen at certain times according to the lunar cycles, so it varies a bit each year.
Hugo, are you suggesting that if a person believes in evolution they can't believe in God or ID?
Exact opposite. It's strange that you even ask...
That's why I wrote that all 4 types exist:
- Belief in god and evolution
- Belief in god but not evolution
- No belief in god nor evolution
- No belief in god but belief in evolution
The point is that one can believe in god (in an intelligent creator of the universe) AND understand that ID, from a scientific perspective, is wrong.
It was my impression that you disagree with that and keep insisting that Atheism and Evolution go hand in hand...