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Sunday, May 29, 2011

This We Believe

I gave a quote from Jonathan Wells a week or so ago. Hugo didn’t like this one bit. It goes against what he desperately wants to believe. You can see his comments @
http://thesauros-store.blogspot.com/2011/05/philosophy-of-evolution.html

If you haven’t read that post, it would be helpful for you to do so now.


Hugo hated the quote from that post so much he pointed me to what he calls a “refutation” of Wells’ book. In this refutation we find the following comments:

“. . . no textbook presents the "icons" as a list of our "best evidence" for evolution,”

Right, let’s give students our worst evidence, false evidence, deception and outright lies. We have much better evidence but we’re not going to let anyone know what it is.
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“The Miller-Urey experiment isn't considered "evidence for evolution;" it is considered part of our experimental research about the origin of life and is discussed in chapters and sections on the "history of life."”

Funny how the refutation doesn’t mention that the experiment in question had nothing to do with early earth atmosphere. In fact these atheists chose the chemicals they did because those chemicals were the ones known to produce the results desired. Let’s not tell the student THAT!

This “refutation” contains another lie because if one can believe current atheist scientists, then the “evolution” of inanimate and inorganic gases (snerk) most certainly does have to do with evolution.
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“Darwin's finches are used as examples of an evolutionary process (natural selection), not as evidence for evolution.”

“And the prize for attempted obfuscation goes to - may I have the envelope please!” Hey, they’re only kids, they won’t notice our deception.
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“Archaeopteryx is frequently presented in discussions of the origin of birds, not as evidence for evolution itself.”

Mm, hmm because going from one species into birds wouldn’t be evidence of evolution.
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Then we’re told why we can’t expect to understand why falsehood, deception, outright lies and substandard evidence is shown to our children. It’s because we aren’t educated enough - you know, like those who teach evolution. Take a listen.

“To understand the depth of any scientific field fully requires many years of study.”

So they dumb it down for lessor mortals.
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“It is the goal of elementary and secondary education to give students a basic understanding of the "world as we know it," which includes teaching students the paradigms of a number of fields of science. In order to do this, teaching examples must be found. It is this need to find simple, easy-to-explain, dynamic, and visual examples to introduce a complex topic to students that has led to the common use of a few examples — the "icons."

Ya, “teaching examples must be found.” So we’ll just make something up.

Along with the Miller / Urey fiasco,
. Darwin’s Tree of Life - purporting to show common ancestry is now completely unsupported by the fossil record, but still present in our children’s textbooks as proof for biological evolution;

. Haeckel’s Embryos - purporting a common ancestor - is known (since 1860) to be fraudulent and misleading, but is still present in our children’s textbooks as proof for biological evolution;

. Gill slits / pouches in human embryos - purported as evidence for a common ancestor - now known to be simple skin folds but presented in a knowingly misleading fashion (even fish don’t have gills at that stage of development) while empirically false, are still present in our children’s textbooks as proof for biological evolution;

. Archaeopteryx as a the half-bird / half-reptile - NOT - missing link with thousands of transitional forms soon to be discovered - NOT - but is still present in our children’s textbooks as proof for common ancestry and biological evolution.

. Java and Piltdown Man, both now known to be glaring examples of shoddy and speculative science - at best - yet still present in our textbooks as examples of common ancestry.

It doesn't matter if what we are telling your children is a lie, a deliberate deception. We're atheists. They should just trust us.
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“Yet, with our knowledge of the natural world expanding at near-exponential rates, the volume of new information facing a textbook writer is daunting.”

What he’s telling you is that “In one hundred years you can’t expect us to throw out what’s false and include all this great new compelling evidence.”
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“it should not be surprising that introductory textbooks are frequently simplified and may be somewhat out-of-date.”

It’s beyond words.
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“In Icons of Evolution, Wells says: "Students and the public are being systematically misinformed about the evidence for evolution" through biology textbooks (Wells 2000: xii). This is a serious charge; to support it demands the highest level of scholarship on the part of the author.”

We’ve come full circle. We’re back to, you can’t expect to understand that fraud isn’t fraud unless you have exactly the same level of education that I have.

4 comments:

  1. You're reading comprehension skills need some brush-up.

    Can you focus on one part of the refutation and explain what you don't understand?

    Because what you wrote here makes no sense. You just show how, unfortunately, you don't understand the science presented.

    By the way, there's nothing that I 'want to believe'. It's just true... and I value truth. Don't you?

    Also, I asked you one thing:
    Ever went to a natural history museum?

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  2. Well apparently you don't want to address me directly these days. Since when do I scare you? Lol

    In any case, let me explain just one flaw, since there are so many, in this blog post.

    First, you wrote:

    In this refutation we find the following comments:

    “. . . no textbook presents the "icons" as a list of our "best evidence" for evolution,”

    Right, let’s give students our worst evidence, false evidence, deception and outright lies. We have much better evidence but we’re not going to let anyone know what it is.


    For your convenience I suppose, you did not quote the sentence that came right after, and jumped to the Miller-Urey example. Let me put the rest here, as it IS important:

    The "icons" that Wells singles out are discussed in different parts of the textbooks for different pedagogical reasons.

    What part of this sentence don't you understand? Seriously...

    You mock evolution and the way it is presented by saying that we show students our "worst" evidence, "false" evidence, but unfortunately you don't even understand what is said here.

    You imply that these "icons" are not "icons" because they are false or inappropriate, but that is NOT the case. They are not "icons" because there is no such thing as an "icon"! That is the whole point of these two lines. You distorted its meaning and I wonder why? Was it on purpose? I doubt... you seem to simply misunderstand its meaning.

    You then go on to mock the explanations... but without understanding this initial context, it's not impressive or surprising.

    Once again, I am genuinely asking you if you would correct that, acknowledging that you just misinterpreted part of the text. We all do mistakes; I don't see the problem in admitting them when faced with facts... but I won't hold my breath.

    Take care!

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    Where was I...

    "The Miller-Urey experiment isn't considered "evidence for evolution;" ..."

    Funny how the refutation doesn’t mention that the experiment in question had nothing to do with early earth atmosphere. In fact these atheists chose the chemicals they did because those chemicals were the ones known to produce the results desired. Let’s not tell the student THAT!


    Ah yes, the Miller-Urey experiment!

    Obviously, you did not read the entire passage, because the refutation does mention the details of the chemicals and gases. I don't think you are purposely lying, so would you be willing to take the time and actually go read what they say?

    Let me copy/paste parts of it...

    "First, Wells's claim that researchers are ignoring the new atmospheric data, and that experiments like the Miller-Urey experiment fail when the atmospheric composition reflects current theories, is simply false. The current literature shows that scientists working on the origin and early evolution of life are well aware of the current theories of the earth's early atmosphere and have found that the revisions have little effect on the results of various experiments in biochemical synthesis. Despite Wells's claims to the contrary, new experiments since the Miller-Urey ones have achieved similar results using various corrected atmospheric compositions (Figure 1; Rode, 1999; Hanic et al., 2000)."

    So not only are they aware of the early atmosphere "problem", there is even a table showing other results with other chemical and how probable, or not, they are to be reflection of the early atmosphere. Just click on Figure 1!

    This “refutation” contains another lie because if one can believe current atheist scientists, then the “evolution” of inanimate and inorganic gases (snerk) most certainly does have to do with evolution.

    First, you can drop the 'atheist' in front of scientist. Good scientists leave their beliefs at home when they do research and this is what we see in biology, just like any other field, where both theists and atheists scientists collaborate to improve the knowledge of mankind.

    Second, no, there is no lie. Read the passage again. Just one part quickly:
    "The Miller-Urey experiment only showed one possible route by which the basic components necessary for the origin of life could have been created, not how life came to be."

    If there is no life, there is biological evolution... Yes there is "evolution" in the sense that things change, but I hope you don't pretend that nothing "evolves". That would just be silly obviously.

    Finally, I feel like I talk to you like I would talk to a child, and I am sorry if it sounds like that for you too... I just try to correct mistakes that you wrote here. I don't even try to discredit any of your beliefs. I just explain the truth of some scientific facts that you seem to be struggling with.

    Have a nice day!

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  4. Well presented refutation Thesauros. Hugo is the typical blend of smugness and opaqueness of a lightweight intellectual atheist, you made a swell choice of not reposting to the fool.

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