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Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Killing Atheists


Atheist blogs are bristling with the news (yes to atheists it seems to be news), that in seven Muslim countries, you could be executed for being an atheist.

The shock!
The horror!

Islam is such a peaceful religion. Who knew that being something other than Muslim in Muslim countries could be dangerous to your health? Well, apparently atheists didn't know that, and now that they do, well, tell the world.

Here's what I wonder. Since these same countries would love to eradicate Christians along with all other infidels (there are millions of online accounts of Christians being killed in Muslim countries every year) my question is this.

Would you die for your atheist faith?

When Islam gains enough power world-wide, will you be willing to place your head on a chopping block next to the one upon which your Christian neighbour is resting her head? Or will a pusillanimous fog envelope that will cause you to tick off “Muslim” on your passport or driver's license?

Surely not. Not an atheist. Not those who eagerly anticipate confronting their Creator so they can accuse Him of not presenting enough evidence to warrant belief. Not those who in a derisory tone say they'd rather stand in hell than kneel in heaven.

Aren't you as an atheist, so convinced of the truth that the material cosmos is all that ever has existed or ever will exist that you'd be willing to die for that truth?

Aren't you as an atheist so certain that death is the end of existence that closing the door on this stage of life is just not that big a deal? Physical death holds nothing to fear for you, right? So why not stare Mohammed in the eye and declare, “Live free or die!”

If those weak, spineless Christians can do it, surely atheists can show just as much faith in their belief system. Right?

Down through the centuries 100's of millions of Christians, beginning with Jesus' original disciples, have been so convinced that He, Jesus, is alive, risen from the dead and residing Spiritually within them that they will endure almost any kind of torture and death rather than deny what they know to be true. As one Christian martyr said through gritted teeth to those who were burning him to death, “You can turn me over. I think I'm done on that side.”

Ninety million Christians in the 20th century alone have died at the hands of atheist leaders who were desperate to rid the world of Jesus' message of salvation. They were so close to ensuring an atheist utopia and they let it slip through their fingers.

Now that we're on the cusp of Islam's turn to purify the world of evil and bring about its version of utopia:
. Will you, atheist, stand for what you believe?
. Will you die for what you believe?
. Or is the rejection of your Creator just a passing fad?
. Will you “see the light” and convert rather than pretend to have integrity?

My guess is you'll lie, and deceive, and play the hypocrite just to avoid death by one more day. If it makes you whimper to have someone say Merry Christmas to you, you'll certainly accommodate the similarities between atheism and Islam (salvation by works) and adapt your beliefs accordingly, right?

It won't even be that big of a deal.  




21 comments:

  1. Well, apparently atheists didn't know that, and now that they do, well, tell the world.

    So basically you ran into a bunch of ignorant people...

    The shock!
    The horror!

    ;-)

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    You asked interesting and surprising questions in this post. I cannot talk for anybody else so what I will share here is my personal opinion alone. I hope you understand that some atheists might think differently; actually, for sure, there must be some that disagree...

    Would you die for your atheist [beliefs]?

    Absolutely not! If I have to lie to live, I will lie.

    Surely not. Not an atheist. Not those who eagerly anticipate confronting their Creator so they can accuse Him of not presenting enough evidence to warrant belief. Not those who in a derisory tone say they'd rather stand in hell than kneel in heaven.

    When you write stupid things like this, I always wonder how literal you are. I know the statements are partially truthful and partially just mockery, but how much of it? How much is really what you think? How much is really what you think Atheists generally think? I don't know...

    Aren't you as an atheist, so convinced of the truth that the material cosmos is all that ever has existed or ever will exist that...

    Not my belief. I will try one more time to list what my belief about the same topic actually is. Perhaps one day you will spot the difference:

    I don't believe that there is something outside the material cosmos, that there ever was or ever will be. Everything that I believe in is part of the material cosmos.

    ...you'd be willing to die for that truth?

    Absolutely not! If I have to lie to live, I will lie.

    Aren't you as an atheist so certain that death is the end of existence that closing the door on this stage of life is just not that big a deal?

    You wrote it exactly backward. I am so certain that death is the end of existence that closing the door on this UNIQUE stage of life is the biggest deal of all. There is absolutely nothing more important. Nothing. My self-preservation is the most important thing I can fight for. The only exceptions would be for some crazy scenarios such as killing myself to save my wife and kids. That I would do, and there are other examples like that if you see what I mean, but in general, no, it's not not-a-big-deal!

    Physical death holds nothing to fear for you, right?

    Correct, and it's not a lie, unlike you who also claims to hold no fear.

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    1. It is not surprising that Thesauros failed to comprehend the report under discussion, one that was about legal discrimination against humanists, atheists and the nonreligious. The death penalty in seven countries is just the beginning; that there exists legal discrimination should be a cause for concern for anyone who values liberty. Thesauros does not value liberty; he values submission. That's why he doesn't care about legal discrimination and present the suffering and death of real people in real life for not believing in god to be a trivial concern.

      Maybe someday he will be ashamed at how he allowed his religious beliefs to poison and reduce his humanity. But I sincerely doubt it.

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    2. Or you could just answer the question.

      Is your certainty that this is a material universe and only a material universe so important to you that you'd be willing to die for that belief? The day is coming when you're going to have to make a choice.

      Will you stand up to those who wish to remove your freedom to have that belief?

      Have you noticed that it's ONLY in countries that have been traditionally Christian that you have that freedom of belief?

      Or, will you pretend to be someone that you aren't? Will you run from those who wish to destroy you because of what you believe?

      Where ever Christianity has made room for atheism, Islam has stepped in. Sharia Muslims are coming tidbit and they're coming for you and for me.

      So what are you going to do?

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    3. Thesauros, you know jack-shit about me and my service record yet presume to question my courage and integrity in defense of our shared legal rights and our shared political freedoms and our shared secular values on the basis that I don't share your belief in your god.

      Piss off, you sanctimonious nit.

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    4. So is that, "No. I'd pretend to convert."?

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  2. So why not stare Mohammed in the eye and declare, “Live free or die!”

    Living is more important.

    If those weak, spineless Christians can do it,

    I think Christians who died for their faith are extremely courageous people and I admire their convictions.

    surely atheists can show just as much faith in their belief system. Right?

    I don't have faith in anything; nothing I believe in depends on faith.
    (In the sense of beliefs; I do have faith that my fiancée will not cheat on me and things like that but that's a different meaning of the word "faith").

    Now that we're on the cusp of Islam's turn to purify the world of evil and bring about its version of utopia:

    I am not worried at all about that... There are terrible things going on, sure, but overall the world is safer than ever before. I am more worried about economic balance since the gap between the rich and the poor seems to become bigger in many places. I thus feel extremely privilege to be on the "good" side...

    Will you, atheist, stand for what you believe?

    Yes.

    Will you die for what you believe?

    No.

    Or is the rejection of your Creator just a passing fad?

    That question is settled for me. The type of Personal Creator God you believe in certainly does not exist. Everything that used to be explained by using this concept is explained differently now. The only possible gods are the ones that do not interact with the universe, ones that are some sort of "essence of everything".

    Will you “see the light” and convert rather than pretend to have integrity?

    The last time I lacked integrity while writing on your blog is a very very long time ago. I am very honest here.

    My guess is you'll lie, and deceive, and play the hypocrite just to avoid death by one more day.

    Oh ya, for survival, I would totally lie; that's not losing integrity...

    If it makes you whimper to have someone say Merry Christmas to you...

    The rest does not apply to me.

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  3. “When you write stupid things like this”

    When I QUOTE the stupid things that atheists say I'm not sure how literal they are. I think Russel was absolutely serious when he stated that if God turned out to be real he fully planned on confronting God for not giving enough evidence. Confronting your Creator is hard to do when you're flat on your face in total submission. What an utter fool!
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    “Everything that I believe in is part of the material cosmos.”

    And that it has always existed and always will exist?
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    “My self-preservation is the most important thing I can fight for.”

    Why? Do you think the world can't get along without you? Do you think that you'll make a noticeable ripple when you're gone? On atheism within 60 years there'll barely be a memory of you. 60 years after that even the memory of you will cease to exist.
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    (In the sense of beliefs; I do have faith that my fiancée will not cheat on me and things like that but that's a different meaning of the word "faith").

    From a Biblical perspective that is EXACTLY the meaning of the word faith. You have enough information to make a reasoned but not certain decision. The rest you take on faith. I have enough information that I take on faith the Bible's conclusion regarding the evidence that you and I have before us. You, on faith, have chosen a different conclusion.
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    "overall the world is safer than ever before. I am more worried about economic balance since the gap between the rich and the poor seems to become bigger in many places.

    Interesting. First you say the world is safer than ever before and then you immediately list the main reason why is not safer than ever before. We are this close to a world-wide financial collapse in concert with out of control inflation. World-wide famine is just a breath away, and you sit there humming, "Crisis? What crisis?"
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    "That question is settled for me. The type of Personal Creator God you believe in certainly does not exist."

    Certainly? And you make that claim based upon what evidence? Is it the old, “I know how gravity works therefore God does not exist?” I'll bet it is. Until you know what brought the cosmological constants and quantities into existence with the exact fine tuning they possess and know that it was NOT from a Supernatural Creator, you cannot make that statement of belief, at least not without relying on faith. The EXACT kind of faith we were talking about above. The coming into being of a material universe, from nothing material before the laws of physics / science were in place is the working definition of a miracle.

    First you make a groundless statement of faith, and then you claim to be certain of its conclusion. Not good Hugo. Not good at all.
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    "The only possible gods are the ones that do not interact with the universe, ones that are some sort of "essence of everything".

    I can't imagine something being part of the universe but not interacting with the universe. Do you know of other examples of this?
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    "Oh ya, for survival, I would totally lie; that's not losing integrity..."

    It seems to me that all lies are based upon one's perceived need for survival and that lying is a working definition of lacking integrity.

    Of course, you've just given a good example of how, for an atheist integrity simply means adhering to one's own personal code of ethics, one that's invented by the individual, a code that may include lying or adultery or stealing, or any number of things, things that those who recognise the existence of an objective moral code could never condone.

    In a case like yours, atheist men and women will always see themselves as people of integrity. Invent a moral code that you're pretty sure you'll rarely break and declare yourself righteous. No wonder you have such a high opinion of yourself. You actually believe that you're a good person. Priceless.

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  4. “When you write stupid things like this”

    When I QUOTE the stupid things that atheists say I'm not sure how literal they are.


    Actually, you almost never quote Atheists. You prefer to give your own version and comment inaccurately. When I comment on one of your post that seem suspiciously misrepresenting an Atheist point, I ask you for a quote. I honestly do not remember you posting such quote.

    When you do quote, you never say that you are not sure if they are literal or not. You have never ever mentioned that. What you do is what I will address next since it comes right after... you misunderstand.

    I think Russel was absolutely serious when he stated that if God turned out to be real he fully planned on confronting God for not giving enough evidence. Confronting your Creator is hard to do when you're flat on your face in total submission. What an utter fool!

    Yes it is stupid because it is clearly NOT literal. Russel does not believe in a god like yours, and has very good reason to do so, so he cannot possibly be literal. Therefore, mocking that Creator you adore by stating this joke about confronting him is nothing more than a joke. You find him stupid because you feel like it refers to your Creator. You would laugh out loud if he said something like 'if the Flying Spaghetti Monster ends up being real and greats me after death, I will confront his divine noodles!'

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    “Everything that I believe in is part of the material cosmos.”

    And that it has always existed and always will exist?

    No I don't believe that.

    You are incapable of understanding these concepts. That's why you quoted just a small part of what I wrote and ask a stupid question.

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    “My self-preservation is the most important thing I can fight for.”

    Why?

    Why not?
    My comment explained why already. You have some sort of mental blockage that prevents you from understanding my point: since I believe that this enjoyable life is all I will ever experience, there is nothing possibly more important than wanting it to last. Once it's over, it's over.

    Do you think the world can't get along without you? Do you think that you'll make a noticeable ripple when you're gone?

    This only shows that you like to insult and ridicule. It has nothing to do with my point and just make you look stupid. Actually, sorry, I don't know what I keep trying to be nice. You are stupid. You don't look stupid; you are.

    On atheism within 60 years there'll barely be a memory of you. 60 years after that even the memory of you will cease to exist.

    On REALITY within 60 years... yes. You are correct. That's reality. Your books have more chances to make you "live" after death than your imaginary soul.

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    (In the sense of beliefs; I do have faith that my fiancée will not cheat on me and things like that but that's a different meaning of the word "faith").

    From a Biblical perspective that is EXACTLY the meaning of the word faith.

    No. Not at all. What the Bible wants us to believe is that what these people write/say/believe is true. There is absolutely nothing I believe in which is like that. I don't believe anything just because someone says so. I believe it for the reasons/explanations depending on the context and claims.

    The Bible on the other hand makes hundreds of claims that we are just supposed to accept because someone says so. This is true for so many things in the Bible, from the smallest detail of how many angels were at the tomb of Jesus to crazy things like an ark held all species of the planet.

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  5. "overall the world is safer than ever before. I am more worried about economic balance since the gap between the rich and the poor seems to become bigger in many places.

    Interesting. First you say the world is safer than ever before and then you immediately list the main reason why is not safer than ever before.

    I agree with that! If the economy was to get worse and worse, the world would eventually start to become less safe. What I was referring to is the general long-term stats on murder, violent crimes or theft for example, since these crimes are much easier to avoid and criminals are easier to catch due to technological advancement, better identification of mental diseases, etc....

    However, I am not too worried about any incoming economic melt-down. The recent house market crisis showed that we are not in the 20s anymore, thankfully. Yes it's still bad and some countries still face recession, but we have the tools to prevent depressions.

    Moreover, I could be wrong and that was not the point of the comment. I was addressing how I am not too concerned about Muslims taking over the world. I think you tried to point out a contradiction in my text but were too stupid to understand the actual point. It's kind of a "gotcha" game that you are trying but fail miserably.

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    "That question is settled for me. The type of Personal Creator God you believe in certainly does not exist."

    Certainly? And you make that claim based upon what evidence?

    We know how, why and when humans created gods. Christianity is not different in any way.

    Is it the old, “I know how gravity works therefore God does not exist?” I'll bet it is.

    That's one of the most retarded thing I ever read. I don't know where you saw that originally but that was very stupid; however, the worst part is the fact that you think I agree with it. Are you crazy!?

    Until you know what brought the cosmological constants and quantities into existence with the exact fine tuning they possess and know that it was NOT from a Supernatural Creator, you cannot make that statement of belief, at least not without relying on faith. The EXACT kind of faith we were talking about above.

    Wrong. The God you believe in is not 'just' some sort of cause for the universe. You believe in something much different. That was the point of what comes right after, that you obviously did not understand.

    I don't need to prove anything to you to show why your Personnal Judeo-Christian Creator God certainly does not exists. It contradicts reality. Hence, where reality comes from is irrelevant.

    Moreover, what you are doing at the same time is an argument from ignorance. You don't know how we could have a universe without a god, hence god. That's a logical fallacy you commit every single time you talk about the origin of the universe.

    The coming into being of a material universe, from nothing material before the laws of physics / science were in place is the working definition of a miracle.

    This is actually a sentence that shows why you are incapable of discussing the origin of the universe intelligently. You repeat this non-sense very often ironically. It shows that you still don't understand what we know about the universe TODAY and you still don't understand what a physical laws ARE.

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  6. "The only possible gods are the ones that do not interact with the universe, ones that are some sort of "essence of everything".

    I can't imagine something being part of the universe but not interacting with the universe. Do you know of other examples of this?

    No. That's exactly the point! That's why these gods are possible in the sense that they are not falsifiable. You cannot prove that they don't exist because by definition they cannot be proven not to exists.

    This is NOT the god you believe in. If you were to believe just in a god like that, you would not be a Christian and would live your life exactly like an Atheist. There is no difference between Theists who believe in that kind of god and Atheists; none beside the belief in god.

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    "Oh ya, for survival, I would totally lie; that's not losing integrity..."

    It seems to me that all lies are based upon one's perceived need for survival and that lying is a working definition of lacking integrity.

    The example I gave implies nothing about the integrity of the liar, be it myself or anybody else who would be put in the same position. It's an example of 1 thing I would lie about, to save myself from death. Perhaps it would involve several actions, such as being forced to pray at a Mosque, but it would still be just 1 lie: Allah is real!

    Of course, you've just given a good example of how, for an atheist integrity simply means adhering to one's own personal code of ethics, one that's invented by the individual, a code that may include lying or adultery or stealing, or any number of things, things that those who recognise the existence of an objective moral code could never condone.

    It shows that yes, I adapt to situations and base my moral judgments and decision on reason, logic and context, just to name these 3. You prefer to insult me because you have a very black or white mentality where everything is sorted into big boxes of evil or pure. It's a joke, a childish version of reality that you tell yourself. The world is too complex for you.

    In a case like yours, atheist men and women will always see themselves as people of integrity. Invent a moral code that you're pretty sure you'll rarely break and declare yourself righteous. No wonder you have such a high opinion of yourself. You actually believe that you're a good person. Priceless.

    No. That's blatant lies. What you don't understand when Atheists say they are good people is that they are not worse, NOR BETTER, than others. If some Atheists claim to be better, I would correct them.

    Yes, I do have a high opinion of myself regarding many different things, some out of pure luck and some because of the effort I put into various things and the choices I make. I also have a low opinion of myself on several things that I know I should try to improve. I am just human.

    For a person who pretends that he was a consellor for so many years, you are extremely bad at understanding the nature of human beings. You keep writing about how you think you do know since all humans are born evil, our default state is to sin, and all that crap, without ever taking the time to use reason and intelligence to understand the actual principles behind these behaviors. Priceless. Indeed.

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  7. By the way, I forgot to address what you did NOT address: didn't you see how wrong you were on your interpretation of what it means to die for me, or any other Atheist? Don't you see how wrong you are in your interpretation of what life means for me and how IMPORTANT it is?

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  8. Ah tidbit, skulking away with head down, knowing yourself all too well. Courage on the battlefield yet powerless in the face of political correctness.

    "Here dead we lie, because we did not choose
    To shame the land from which we sprung
    Life, to be sure is nothing much to lose,
    But young men think it is, and we were young."
    A.E. Housman

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    1. Ah tidbit, skulking away with head down...

      I find it amusing and ironic that you would write such words on the same comment thread where you avoided most of the points I made, refused to correct the errors you and ran away to avoid the tough issues, preferring to change the subject and go write other posts exposing more of your ignorance of the real world we live in.

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  9. Rod: Or is the rejection of your Creator just a passing fad?

    Hugo: That question is settled for me. The type of Personal Creator God you believe in certainly does not exist. Everything that used to be explained [like gravity or lightening] by using this concept is explained differently now. (Insertion Rod's)

    Rod: Is it the old, “I know how gravity works therefore God does not exist?” I'll bet it is.

    Hugo: "That's one of the most retarded thing I ever read. I don't know where you saw that originally but that was very stupid; however, the worst part is the fact that you think I agree with it. Are you crazy!?"

    Maybe you could help me understand this, Hugo?

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  10. Of course, but pardon me if I doubt your sincerity, so I will be very brief and if you really mean it, I can discuss more...

    First of all, I am not sure what part you don't understand. It is ridiculous to claim that 'gravity works therefore God does not exist'. I don't know where you heard that and it certainly does not make any sense. What part of that don't you understand?

    Next, the 'insertion' you added to my comment, gravity or lightening, is just a tiny portion of the full picture. The type of God you believe in used to be the explanation for any natural catastrophe or beauty, the development of all life, the "miracle" of human conception, but also more human things such as answers to prayers, casting demons, mental diseases, lucid dreams, and so on... None of these things require a god to make sense.

    Plus, by re-reading my own comment, I realized that I should have mentioned the #1 why your God in particular does not exist: we know exactly how it came to be, how it evolved, who started to believe and when, and so on. The historical evidence that you think support your faith in the Christian God is actually the best evidence against the existence of that God.

    In short, since I guess I was not that short after all... if a God exists, it is certainly not the kind of God that interact with the world the way the Bible describes it.

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  11. Hugo: “Everything that used to be explained: natural catastrophe or beauty, the development of all life, the "miracle" of human conception, but also more human things such as answers to prayers, casting demons, mental diseases, lucid dreams, and so on... are now explained, therefore we can know that God does not exist.”

    Hugo: "That's one of the most retarded thing I ever read.”

    Hugo: “I don't know where you heard that and it certainly does not make any sense. What part of that don't you understand?”

    Hugo: "your God in particular does not exist: we know exactly how it came to be, how it evolved,"

    Rod: The theory of the evolution of religion (gods) as it applies to Christianity and YAHWEH was refuted so long ago that it's pitiful that you are now just paying attention to it. I became aware of it when I was a teenager and it was probably old by then. It's a bogus argument that simply does not apply to Creator God as He is revealed in the Bible

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  12. - I don't understand why you quoted 4 things I said and addressed just the last one? What was the point?

    - I don't understand why you say 'you are now just paying attention to it.' The evolution of religion is probably the first thing that made me doubt the whole God concept when I was still in High School and learning about the history of different religions, including Christianity.

    - I don't understand why you say it was 'refuted'. The simply fact that Christians split from Jews to form 2 different religions is the kind of evolution I am talking about. It has been going on throughout humanity's history...

    - You did not answer my question: I don't know what part you wanted me to help you understand regarding the above comment, or if you were really interesting in asking me something?

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  13. In this comment -
    Hugo: “Everything that used to be explained: natural catastrophe or beauty, the development of all life, the "miracle" of human conception, but also more human things such as answers to prayers, casting demons, mental diseases, lucid dreams, and so on... are now explained,

    you seem to be saying that since we now know that God is not directly or immediately required for these things work or come to be, we can logically conclude that God does not exist.
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    In this comment -

    Hugo: "That's one of the most retarded thing I ever read.”

    You seem to be saying that reaching that conclusion (because we know that these things don't require God in order to "work" we can conclude that God does not exist) is the most retarded thing you've ever read. =====

    In this comment - Hugo: “I don't know where you heard that and it certainly does not make any sense.

    You seem to not know that the comment comes from you. =====
    If your point in saying, “Everything that used to be explained: natural catastrophe or beauty, the development of all life, the "miracle" of human conception, but also more human things such as answers to prayers, casting demons, mental diseases, lucid dreams, and so on... are now explained

    isn't pointing to your reason for being certain that God does not exist, why even bring it up?
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    Hugo: "your God in particular does not exist: we know exactly how it came to be, how it evolved,"

    The theory behind the evolution of gods is that man started out with polytheism and ended up with monotheism. However there is no evidence what so ever that Judaism has been anything but monotheistic.

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  14. you seem to be saying that since we now know that God is not directly or immediately required for these things work or come to be, we can logically conclude that God does not exist.

    Not any God. We can conclude that certain gods who are supposed to be in charge of these things certainly don't exist, but we can never say 'God does not exist' without specifying what we mean by God.

    You seem to be saying that reaching that conclusion (because we know that these things don't require God in order to "work" we can conclude that God does not exist) is the most retarded thing you've ever read.

    The comment I found retarded was the one that mentioned only gravity, alone.

    You seem to not know that the comment comes from you.

    It did not...

    If your point in saying, [...]
    isn't pointing to your reason for being certain that God does not exist, why even bring it up?


    Ridiculous over-simplification such as 'gravity is explained, hence no god' are what you write. The reasons why I don't believe in any gods, and the reasons why I believe your god does not exist, are different and more complicated.

    The theory behind the evolution of gods is that man started out with polytheism and ended up with monotheism. However there is no evidence what so ever that Judaism has been anything but monotheistic.

    1) The fact that Christianity spawned from Judaism already proves my point, and you agree with it.

    2) Of course Judaism is monotheistic; it's in its definition! Anybody attempting to prove that Judaism was only monotheistic can simply say that if a person believe in more than 1 god then they were not jews, hence Judaism was monotheistic. It's pathetic...

    3) Plus... there is evidence that YAHWEH used to be one of the gods. El and YAHWEH were among the Elohims, or something like that... I don't remember the details but if you're interested you should read more about that... Clearly you are missing part of the picture. And that has NOTHING to do with being an Atheist by the way. Use only Christian/Jewish resources if you want. They will tell the same thing.

    4) If we agree that Judaism is considered purely monotheistic, then the point I am trying to get across does not change: some tribe made the switch from poly to mono theism. They have a common ancestral religion that was polytheistic and cohabited in the beginning. Their beliefs slowly changed as they made up stories and had some new ideas regarding their gods, or God.

    I am almost sure that I suggested this to you but you would never take the time to... but if you want to learn about someone who slowly deconverted from Christianity to complete Atheism, you should go look the archive of The Atheist Experience show and watch the videos where Tracy Harris is present. Unfortunately I don't know which ones exactly but some of the very old ones, when she first started to appear as a co-host, show her explaining the research she did, as a Christian, that led her to reject her faith pieces by pieces. There were no 'haha, that's all bullshit!' moment, it took several years and started with this very thing I am discussing here: Christianity is clearly made up.

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  15. Obviously the reason you can't communicate with others is because you're own life is so full of contradictions, you can't even communicate effectively with yourself.

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  16. Since when can't I communicate with others!?

    Let me play your game:
    Obviously the reason you can't communicate with me is because you're own life is so full of lies and delusions, you can't even communicate effectively with people who don't share the imaginary world that's in your head. It makes you angry and confused when it gets unders attacked. You feel lost and stressed that maybe, just maybe, you are completely wrong.

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