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Tuesday, September 11, 2012

The Comedic Style of Atheists


I've talked before about how some of the things that Richard Dawkins says makes it look like he's rehearsing for a future stand-up comedy career. Actually, a good number of atheists work really hard at developing their comedic tendencies. Here's a line of atheist comedy gold.
Atheism is a belief-system the way not collecting stamps is a hobby.”
Isn't that funny? On a more sombre note, atheists believe that joke to be true. If it was true (it isn't) it would make it nearly impossible to explain why atheists:
. Have radio shows where the host and h/her guests talk about not collecting stamps.
. They write books by the hundreds and blogs by the thousands about not collecting stamps.
. They hold summer camps for their kids to teach them the skills of not collecting stamps.
. Atheists spent years (literally) holding conventions and meet-ups trying to come to a consensus on whether they are people who do not believe in collecting stamps or whether they are just not stamp collectors.
. They hold conventions and invite special speakers to describe how they became so zealous about not collecting stamps.
. They organize support groups for former stamp collectors.
. They write blogs describing their personal journey toward a life that entails not collecting any stamps at all. Not even at Stamp Collector's special celebratory times of the year.
. At those special times of the year, non stamp collectors protest loudly and do whatever they can to try to dampen the enthusiasm of those who enjoy collecting stamps. The joy of Stamp Collectors really seems to both the non collectors.
. Despite all this, these non collectors will tell you that they never even think about stamp collecting. It's hard to tell if that's supposed to be one of their jokes or more likely, it's one of the many lies they tell themselves to support their "non hobby." Snerk!
. They evangelize almost non stop to get stamp collectors to stop doing that.
. They talk about how stamp collecting should be eradicated because it poisons everything.
. They work themselves into a frenzy, call lawyers and file lawsuits whenever they think the government is supporting people who collect stamps.
. They claim that not collecting stamps makes them better individuals than those who do collect stamps.
. They claim they are more intelligent than those who collect stamps.
. They compile arguments for why not collecting stamps is the best and most rational way to live.
.They develop points of dogma and codify behaviours to which others who don't collect stamps should adhere.
. They fight with each and call each other names about how best to not collect stamps.
. They put up billboards telling who ever will listen how irrational it is to collect stamps and that collecting stamps makes a person violent and dangerous. They call the Postmaster General names.
. They agonize over the presence of racism, sexism and homophobia that seems ubiquitous in characters of those who don't collect stamps.
. They revere their leaders and quote what their leaders say about not collecting stamps.
. They take particular delight in mocking and ridiculing those who do collect stamps.
And finally, here's what happens when some non stamp collectors decided to form a group of nicer non stamp collectors than your general, run-of-the-mill, brute beast non stamp collectors. When a less nice non stamp collector told the Chief of Nicer non stamp collectors that he couldn't kick the not as nice non collectors out of the in-group, the really nice non stamp collector said, and I quote;
Yes we can! Non stamp collecting + is our movement. We will not consider you a part of it. We will not work with you. We will not befriend you. We will heretofore denounce you as the irrational and immoral scum that you are. If you reject these values then you are no longer one of us. And we will now say so, publicly and repeatedly. You are hereby disowned.”
signed,
Richard Carrier – Chief of the Nicer non stamp collectors.


In reality, atheists maintain a religious belief system so fervent that no amount of evidence could change their minds.
Perhaps atheism is more laughable than you think.

4 comments:

  1. But what if I want to collect stamps just a little?

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  2. Let's analyze this post.

    - Starts with an insult of RD.
    - Continues with mocking Atheists.

    Oh ok the post is mostly a big joke. That's always funny! But is the content used to write jokes accurate? We'll see...

    - Accurately quote an analogy for what Atheism is.

    A yes the not-collecting-stamp analogy! It's actually quite meaningful when you think about it, but let's discuss it later if needed.

    - Claims Atheists believe the quote to be accurate.

    Yes most of Atheists who heard it probably agree. It's quite simple.

    - Claims the quote is false ("If it was true (it isn't)")

    I am not surprised because it's true that you hear Atheists talk a lot more about their "hobby" than a non-stamp-collector would... but that's what analogies are for. No?

    So I guess I do have to discuss the meaning of the quote: Atheism is a belief-system the way not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    Hobbies are things you do, watching TV, writing on a blog, eating delicious food, hiking, golfing, drinking, exercising, reading, etc... If someone asks you what your hobbies are, you will tell the person what you actually do.

    Not what you don't do.

    The same thing is true for Atheism. Atheism does not offer any belief-system since it is actually describe the group of people who do not believe in God or gods. The analogy stops there.

    Now let's move on through the list of points to see if the analogy was used properly.

    - Yes, haha, it would be funny if people host radio shows on not collecting stamp... But yes, people who are Atheists have radio shows and try to explain to people what it means to be an Atheist. The fact that you, Rod, misunderstood the analogy proves that these shows are needed. People have a fundamentally wrong understanding of what Atheism means, on every level, from the simplest definition to the fullest, from the most casual Atheists to the most active one, coming from religious and non-religious background alike. In every kind of people anywhere on Earth can you find A LOT of people who have no idea what it even means to not believe in a god. It's simply inconceivable for them and unheard of.

    - Yes, again, haha, it's funny to think of writing books about not collecting stamps, but Atheists do write books and blogs to explain what I just mentioned.

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  3. - No, people don't teach their kids to be Atheists. You're lying or confused. Some people send their kids to SECULAR summer camps. These people can be religious or not. The goal is to send their kids to a camp where religion is not the main focused. If you can find me 1 example of a camp promoting Atheism, please share and I will be just as annoyed as you.

    - No, conventions don't serve the purpose you mention afaik.

    - No, conventions don't serve the purpose you mention afaik.

    - Yes, they organize support group, because some people who used to collect stamps feel rejected by the people who still collect stamp. They need support from other people who don't collect stamp so that they can get move on. They also need support because sometimes people who stop collecting stamps are rejected by their family who thinks that not collecting stamp is the worst thing you can do (or not do?). You have to collect stamp, or else...

    - Yes, they write blog about how hard it is to stop collecting stamp when you have been doing it all your life and everyone around you collect stamps.

    - Yes, there are people who do not collect stamp who try to harass stamp collectors, but the bast majority live in peace and just want to not be forced to collect stamps. They want everybody to be able to collect whatever they want, or not collect anything at all if they prefer.

    - Yes, Rod, you have a hard time understanding that people who do not collect stamp really DO NOT collect stamp. For people who collect stamps, it is often difficult to understand how someone can not collect anything. Other people who collect coins or snowballs think the same too. They understand that some collect stamps but they were raise to collect coins so that's alright, but not collecting anything? That's does not make sense for them.

    - No, nobody is evangelizing that we should all stop collecting stamps (well, again, there must be some that do). The vast majority just want people to collect whatever they want. They don't want government to encourage stamp collecting, or another form of collection. They don't want parents who have been collecting stamps all their life to prevent their kids from learning about collecting coins, so that they can decide what they want to collect themselves.

    - Yes, some stamp collecting process should be eradicated because it poisons lots of things. It is however an exaggeration to say that ALL stamp collection should be eradicated. Nobody wants that (again, except extremists). Some stamp collectors are just as bad, or worse, and are willing to kill themselves, or others, because they don't collect stamps of the same shape and color. Their stamps are way better than the others so we must start collecting these... or else.

    - Yes, it's fair to want the government not to encourage stamp collecting. Calling it a frenzy is a mockery that caricature the reality, or, again, points to extremists who exist among all spheres of society.

    - No, people who do not collect stamps are not better, in general. They do think that collecting stamps is a waste of time, but if you want to, that's your choice. Again, there are extremists who might think otherwise, but that's a caricature. The majority of people who do not collect stamps are perfectly fine with having friend and family who collect stamps, and that might even help them do so as part of their cultural heritage.

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  4. - No, not more intelligent.

    - No, not collecting stamps is not a way of living. The way of living of someone is what that person DOES, not what that person DOES NOT. People who do not collect stamps are defined and identified mostly by what they do; they have a lot of different hobbies that they can discuss and share with both people who collect stamps and not.

    - Yes, because outside of collecting stamps, we all do that, so that we can live as a society.

    - No, there is no best way not to collect stamps. However, yes, people do argue about their other hobbies. That's part of living as a society.

    - Yes, it is irrational to collect stamps because the collecting stamps has never been proven to give any special powers to anyone, like the collectors claim. Nobody says that it makes you dangerous though, again, that's extreme. However, there are cases where people have been collecting too much stuff and ended up being violent, and killed people who were not collecting the same stuff; yes, these should be stopped by all decent means possible.

    - Yes, all groups can have their issue and the non-collectors are no exception.

    - No, there is no leader of non-collectors. There are inspirational figures just like any other character in society. It can be a singer, a scientist, and author or anybody else who collects, or not, the same thing as you. These people are not leaders because there is no set of rules, nor directions to follow, to not collect stamps. It's the things outside of not collecting stamps that might require leaders.

    - Yes, it's fun to laugh at funny things. Collecting stamps is quite hilarious at times, when people are willing to travel to far away places just to get a new stamp, for example. It's good riddance and certainly not violent, what's the problem? This post is all about laughing at not collecting stamps; no issue here!

    Then, you post a quote that's not accurate. I was very surprise that you call Carrier a leader because I know him only for his books and debates on Christianity. It turns out that you quote him out of context and it has nothing to do with accepting or rejecting someone from a group. What he is talking about is how we should not associate, and I agree, with people who reject some of our core values.

    Here's a part you did not quote:
    In short, if you reject this value statement, you are simply my ideological enemy, and I will give you no quarter. I’ll respect your legal and human rights, because I believe in that. But don’t be shocked if I am not friendly.

    And what value was he talking about?
    - Reasonableness
    - Compassion
    - Integrity
    - Social justice
    - Equal rights for women
    - Diversity
    - Careful skepticism

    What does he reject?
    - Sexism
    - Racism
    - Homophobia

    What's wrong with adhering to that?

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