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Thursday, June 23, 2011

Atheists Encourage Pride

The resident atheist at Thesauros is offended that I dare to give to Creator God what the atheist thinks belongs solely to me - Pride and Glory for “my” accomplishments. The atheist says that I should be proud of any changes for the better that have been made in my character.

Humility, according to him is the wrong approach.

As every Bright knows, humility is for losers. Not taking credit for accomplishments is like lying to yourself. That’s why this atheist wanted me to adopt the greatest sin (probably the first sin) and certainly the most destructive sin in the universe -

Pride.

Ya. Good advice.

Let me say just a few things about pride

“This is the one upon whom I will look; he who is humble and contrite in spirit and trembles at My Word.” Isaiah 66:2

“For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward Him.” 2nd Chronicles 16:9

“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 1 Peter 5:7

“At every stage of our Christian development and in every sphere of our Christian discipleship, pride is the greatest enemy and humility is our greatest friend.”
John Stott

“Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, s/he will not go unpunished.” Proverbs 16:5


Pride is when humans attempt to glorify the self in areas where only God deserves all the glory.

So the question becomes - What is humility? Or

Why can an atheist never be truly humble?

The answer? Humility is honestly assessing ourselves in light of God’s holiness and our sinfulness.


Now, sceptics often accuse Christians of promoting a “worm theology.” They accuse us of trying to get people to think less of themselves. Actually, humility is not thinking less of yourself. Humility is simply a way of being human in which you think of yourself less often. In fact Christianity as Jesus taught encourages people to strive for greatness.

If you look at Mark 10: 35-45, you’ll see a story of pride, full blown pride even in those who’d spent three years studying under the working definition of humility. Twelve men, proud men, so proud that Hugo would pat them on the back for having the right attitude, are arguing about who among them is the greatest. When Jesus asks them what the argument is about, appropriate shame strikes them speechless - for a short time.

Having gotten the right response to pride, Jesus continues His final trip to Jerusalem; a trip where He is willingly giving Himself over to be tortured to death for our sins. And while making this trip, two of the men, brothers James and John pick up the theme of greatness. So confident are they in their abilities that they ask Jesus (whom they believed would soon become the next Ruler of Israel, defeater of the Roman Empire) if they can sit as co Rulers with Him. “We can do it, Jesus. We’re proud of our abilities.”

So Jesus once again addresses the issue of pride with His students.

Notice that Jesus doesn’t say, “Don’t strive for greatness.” Instead, Jesus redirects their ambition. He takes them in exactly the opposite direction of that to which atheists aspire. He redirects their ambition in a manner that would have, and perhaps did make Nietzsche wretch. To help His students understand the essence of greatness, Jesus says to them, “I [the Creator of the universe] did not come into the world to be served, but to serve others and to give My life as a ransom for many - So Follow Me. Be like Me. Do as I do in My relationship with others, including you (Remember Jesus as the foot washing slave - even washing the feet of Judas the one Jesus knew was about to betray Him to death?). Don’t grasp for power so you can lord it over people as the pagans do. Instead whoever wants to be great among you must be your servant and whoever wants to be the greatest, that person must be the slave of all.”

Should I follow Hugo’s advice, advice that he truly believes is good for the world, where individuals motivated by self-interest, self-indulgence, and a false sense of self-sufficiency pursue self-glorification?

“You should be proud of what you’ve done.”

Pfft!

No thanks. Instead with the power and ability and desire that God places within me, I’ll serve others for the glory of God and the furthering of His Kingdom.

Besides, I’ve already been where Hugo advises me to go. I’ve already lived with the goal to become self-sufficient, seeking to cultivate self-confidence for the purpose of self-glorification. I’ve been there and in comparison to a life following Jesus, it’s third rate at best.

I’ll never be rid of pride completely, but thanks to God alone, I no longer run after it. I’ll leave that to atheists for whom pride is just one entity of their triune god.

1 comment:

  1. The resident atheist...

    What am I some sort of demon whose name you should not speak? ;)

    ... at Thesauros is offended that...

    Offended? What makes you think that? I am not offended at all. I was trying to explain to you why I consider that it's incoherent to label opinions as 'wrong', but unfortunately you misread what I said... again.

    Humility, according to him is the wrong approach.
    As every Bright knows, humility is for losers.


    What the!? This is even more absurd than saying that I am offended. Humility and pride are not mutually exclusive. That's just silly...

    And you know what's ironic? You ARE full of pride. You are so arrogant and proud to be who you are now that you consider that you agree with God 99.9% of the time, that because you chose to believe you will spend eternity in bliss, in heaven, while idiots who don't believe will rot in Hell, oh, but it's not all you're job you say, it's the Holy Spirit's work... hilarious, as if it was making you look humble... you believe you talk with God! How can someone more proud/arrogant/over-confident than that?

    Oh sure, you'll twist that more and say that it's God you worship, that God deserves the credits, the admiration, and so on, but since you, personally, agree with God on everything, who do you really worship? Is it really just God?

    Again, you can twist that more and claim that you are a sinful person who deserves nothing but hell, but you are blessed by the grace of God and will be forgiven, because you are humble, repent, and trust your Lord. Ok good, but once you've done that, what are you left with? Again, who do you really worship when you put your faith in your Lord but declare that your opinion is always like his? It's hilarious really :)

    ...with the power and ability and desire that God places within me, I’ll serve others for the glory of God and the furthering of His Kingdom...

    Well that's great! Why would anybody be against that? Again, you make the mistake of presenting a false opposition of humility versus pride. Perhaps we use the words differently, I really don't know at this point... because my opinion (just an O-PI-NION) is that you should be proud of who you became, how you change yourself, and you should be proud of the good you do around you, and you should be proud to honour your God and serve Him. There is nothing wrong with that... Why do you twist that in some sort of hate of self-fulfilment that you associate with a terrible sin?

    Think about it in another way, which makes the whole thing look pretty ironic. If you serve God, become as humble as possible as you describe it, follow what's glorifying God, etc, etc,... then, who gets the reward? Who goes to Heaven? Who goes to Hell? Is helping others in needs also giving them a chance to go to Heaven? You said it was not your job remember...

    Therefore, according to your beliefs, all the good you do ultimately serves only one person. You.

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