No actually. It isn't. When you hear a woman state that she has every right to do what she wants with her body, that is a stretch, to say the very least. When it comes to abortion, what she is attempting to do is take the life of someone who has her own fingerprints, her own unique DNA, her own heart beat, her own blood type, her own character and deny that person life. At conception what has been created is a human being unlike anyone else in the world. The woman seeking an abortion is intending to hire someone to kill this unique human life. The person being killed is not the woman's body!
Here is the direction our society is headed. Some see this as progress.
“The notion that human life is sacred just because it is human life is medieval.”
Q: What about parents conceiving and giving birth to a child specifically to kill him, take his organs, and transplant them into their ill older children?
Singer: It's difficult to warm to parents who can take such a detached view, [but] they're not doing something really wrong in itself.
Q: Is there anything wrong with a society in which children are bred for spare parts on a massive scale?
Singer: No.
Q: Would it be ethically OK to kill 1-year-olds with physical or mental disabilities?
Singer: [This question] should be raised as soon as possible after birth
Singer: It's difficult to warm to parents who can take such a detached view, [but] they're not doing something really wrong in itself.
Q: Is there anything wrong with a society in which children are bred for spare parts on a massive scale?
Singer: No.
Q: Would it be ethically OK to kill 1-year-olds with physical or mental disabilities?
Singer: [This question] should be raised as soon as possible after birth
Q: Would you kill a disabled baby?
Singer: Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole. Many people find this shocking, yet they support a woman's right to have an abortion. One point on which I agree with opponents of abortion is that, from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the foetus and the newborn baby.
- Peter Singer, Princeton ethicist, "Peter Singer: You Ask The Questions".Belfast Telegraph (November 9, 2006).
I find that sooooo tragic. We are losing all ability to see the value of human life. A whale stranded on a beach engenders more sympathy than a child whose life is about to be terminated. If you are one of those who says, “But it's not a Human Being until it's born,” try this. Take a person, any person of any age and ask, “Was this a human life yesterday?” Go back one more day and ask, “Was this a human life yesterday?” Keep doing that until you can answer, “No. This human life did not exist on that day.”
Do that and you will find that the day being referred to is the day before conception.
Do that and you'll find when human life begins, a life that has a right to exist.
And then make your decision about what to do with this life that's been created.
And in case you think I'm some sanctimonious moralizer, judging others from my holy perch, let me tell you, I understand the feelings that drive abortion. I understand them firsthand. Back in the day when a “girlfriend” thought she was pregnant, my first thought was – abortion. Kill it. Get rid of it. Hide the evidence. We were teenagers in high-school, completely unprepared to raise a child. There was only one option. Right?
Of course not, there were several options, every one of them better than killing the child that we'd created. But there was only one option that wouldn't involve other people knowing what we'd done. One option that wouldn't make school more difficult. One option that wouldn't involve a semblance of responsibility. Luckily it was a false alarm, but had she been pregnant and had we gone through with it, just because I was the one involved wouldn't have made it anything less than killing a human being.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating a return to back-ally abortions. We have to help those who need help. The issue here is that as I've become older, I've grown into someone who is strongly pro choice. But the choice needs to be made before conception. We can't continue to lie to ourselves about what we're doing. We can't continue to act as though casual sex isn't a big deal. It is a big deal and pretending it isn't is destroying our souls. Or is it that because our souls are already destroyed that we pretend it isn't a big deal?
Either way, wouldn't it be nice if some day we could all be honest on this issue? Honest enough to say, “Look, I know that I'm pregnant with a living human being. But I am not willing to carry this child to term. Adoption is not an option because – well, just because - so I'm going to kill my child.” Just admit it. Be honest. None of this pretending that your baby isn't a human until she's out on the delivery table or a certain number of weeks old. Honesty. Clear, beautiful honesty. What a wonderful thing that would be. Make a decision based on clear-headed honesty.
The last generation may have been able to feign ignorance on the issue of when life begins, but not us, not any more. You and I both know very well that if the DNA was examined at three hours, or three days, or three weeks, or three months that the genetic code would not show a tree, or a pig or a walrus or a virus. It's a human life that's been created and that human life is developing within you as it's genetic code says s/he should.
Remember: “If it's not a human life, then you're not pregnant.”
Remember: “If it's not a human life, then you're not pregnant.”
And for the gutless wonders like I was, I mean, come on guys. You know that you created this life. Deal with it like a man. Or at least like a man should deal with it. The world won't end if you allow this person to live. God knows there are enough people waiting to raise h/her for you. And if living a life of self-honesty is asking too much of we modern sophisticates, how about if we just stop screwing around? How about if we stop creating situations where we feel the need to kill our children? How about if we stop having affairs? How about if we become men and women of integrity? Men and women who are responsible, even with our sexuality?
Are we not able to stop being desperate, pathetic predators who use our sexuality to snag a partner or – ah, forget it. It will never happen.
We're too corrupt.
Too self-obsessed.
Too pitiful.
Contrary to what atheists would like to believe, we are not able to be good without God transforming our character.
I'm done talking about this subject. Interacting with a pro-abortion individual this last week has been like wading through raw sewage. Deeply disturbing, disgusting, offensive to a degree that surprised me.
Good luck on your journey
Hey Rod!
ReplyDeleteIt was interesting to read the exchange you had with PM on that subject. Even though I think the language used could have been more friendly (that's just my style ;)), I still agree with pretty much everything he said and I find it very unfortunate that you just drop the ball because you feel "disgusted".
It's unfortunate because you basically concede that you are not able to approach the subject of abortion with a clear mind, without being clouded entirely by your emotions. You literally check your brain at the door when it comes to discussing that topic apparently. Again, I agree with PM, but you could at least try to give good reasons to be pro-life; you do no such thing. All you do is ridiculous claims regarding killing human lives.
What is super ironic is that by being so blind about the issue, you are the one who is actually devaluing life. Just look at what you wrote in this post
When it comes to abortion, what she is attempting to do is take the life of someone who has her own fingerprints, her own unique DNA, her own heart beat, her own blood type, her own character and deny that person life. At conception what has been created is a human being unlike anyone else in the world. The woman seeking an abortion is intending to hire someone to kill this unique human life.
These few lines tell a lot more about you than you can possibly imagine!
First, you mention fingerprints, which are not necessarily formed when abortion occurs.
Second, you mention DNA, which means absolutely nothing since twins can have the same.
Third, heartbeat, which also means nothing since the hearth start to beat so early that the fetus could potentially develop into something which lacks so many body parts that it is not human.
Fourth, you mention blood type, as if that was something remotely unique to each individual.
But most importantly is not even these blatant mistakes regarding biological function (hard to believe after 4 ;-D) No. The worst part is that you mention 'character' and 'human being unlike anyone else'! This is NOT what a fetus is! That's what a full grown human being is, because only full grown humans can develop a 'character' of their own. The twin example was the best... didn't you know that they share DNA? It's only because of the environment that they truly become unique.
Anyway, you said you are done with this subject and you were done with me anyway, since you prefer to just insult and fall to emotional appeal, so I'll leave you to that old pal :)
Take care!
I never said I was done with you. I said you were anti rational, anti logic anti science and a pseudo atheist.
ReplyDeleteAnd to me honest, I thought all the way through the discussion that PM was you.
And to me honest, I thought all the way through the discussion that PM was you.
ReplyDeleteHaha ya wouldn't the first time I fool you :P
Actually, you did say that you were done, since you said it was a waste of time!
ReplyDeleteHugo you are the most anti rational, anti intellectual, anti science atheist I have ever encountered.
You aren't even an atheist. Not in any meaningful sense.
Or sure you've adopted the title but you call yourself an atheist while completely ignoring the implications of being an atheist. You are functionally illiterate as an atheist.
And when you you encounter scientific facts that you don't like you collapse back into some kind of fantasy land where random thoughts turn into reality for you.
It's a waste of my time to respond to such garbled nonsense.
Pseudo atheist is my favorite! I am glad you remembered that one correctly!