Why would anyone who calls him/herself a Christian do this?
The
Pope actually accepts people calling him Holy Father and title which
Jesus said we are to only call Creator God.
The Pope actually accepts people calling him the
“Head of the Church.” This is a title reserved for Christ.
The Pope actually accepts people calling him the Vicar of Christ; one who stands vicariously in the place of Christ. THAT is a title reserved for the Holy Spirit.
All
these titles the Pope willingly takes upon himself.
This tired, silly and repeatedly answered argument again? Really?
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I've not heard the answers. Maybe you'd be willing to tell me?
ReplyDeleteI strongly doubt that. you seem far to smart and well read for that to be true, unless you admit that you only read what suits you.
ReplyDeleteSince I don't have time, or room, to write it all out, have a peek at these.
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/why-do-catholics-call-the-pope-the-holy-father-if-the-bible-says-only-persons-of-the-
http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/priests_forgive_sins_call_no_man_father.php
http://www.catholicforum.com/forums/showthread.php?23627-Why-is-the-Pope-called-Holy-Father
http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/pope.php
I only read what interests me and the Roman Catholic Church has never interested me.
ReplyDeleteI sincerely thank you for these links and I will read them.
God Bless
Well, I think a person would have to already be a committed Catholic to find these answers satisfactory. My exegesis may well be wrong but I think these sites miss the "Father" question completely. The problem is not the words, Father / Instructor. My understanding is that leaders are not to allow the adoration that the Pharisees and such were drawing by terms such as Father / Instructor. The same adoration that marinades the Pope.
ReplyDeleteNevertheless, I don't think these terms are "deal breakers" so to speak. They are just mistakes made by we humans who are prone to mistakes.
My post stands with the errors as stated.
"I only read what interests me and the Roman Catholic Church has never interested me. "
ReplyDeleteSo instead you'll rave about things you know nothing of and try and claim moral and theological superiority. Got it.
"Well, I think a person would have to already be a committed Catholic to find these answers satisfactory."
I never said satisfactory, I said "have a peek at these." A guideline, A primer. A starter in those things you would prefer to not read about because it's easier to make a remark in ignorance than to formulate an argument for after you do learn something.
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Well, if we're on the topic of moral and theological superiority, why have you rejected Protestantism in favour of Roman Catholic?
ReplyDeleteI have chosen to read about both, instead of deciding to dislike something I know little to nothing about.
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Well, I almost never respond to those who comment anonymously. So I'm just going to assume that you are the same person who began this thread. The tone of your previous comments does not sound like someone who is simply a casual reader. Instead you vigorously defend the Church of Rome. Your tone sounds like you are personally offended by my remarks.
ReplyDeleteSo I ask again, why have you rejected Protestantism and chosen the Roman Catholic Church?
Partly right. I do casually read your blog. Not very often at all.
ReplyDeleteI could go on for hours and at length why I reject Protestantism, but I'll shorten it to a few sentences.
I have problems with the contrary nature of Protestantism, both to itself and to the teaching of Jesus and early Christians. I have problems with man-made churches.
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What does that mean - contrary nature - especially to the teaching of Jesus? I don't expect you to go on for hours, but a few examples would be helpful.
ReplyDeleteYou don't consider the Roman Catholic Church to be man-made, just those that broke with the Catholic Church?
Ok then a few examples. Jesus said that divorce is wrong and to divorce and remarry is to commit adultery. That is perfectly acceptable to do and still be an adherent Protestant it seems.
ReplyDeleteWe are also told not to baptise in the name of individuals or individual churches, but that happens all the time in Protestantism. In fact, many Protestant churches are named after people and some even encourage a separate nature to all individual churches.
Most Protestants believe that we are saved by faith alone, despite the fact that the only place where those words appear together in The Bible is to say that we are *not* saved by faith alone.
I could go on, but chose not to.
The Catholic Church, is the original church. This is well documented and widely accepted by historians.
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"Ok then a few examples. Jesus said that divorce is wrong and to divorce and remarry is to commit adultery. That is perfectly acceptable to do and still be an adherent Protestant it seems."
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what you mean by acceptable to do. Jesus taught that it was wrong. The New Testament writers taught that it was wrong. We've been in five different congregations and only one that I can think of might have married someone who has been divorced. That doesn't make it the right thing to do.
If you're suggesting that only those who are free of sin can be “an adherent Catholic” I'm very glad that I've never been exposed to the teaching of Rome.
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"We are also told not to baptise in the name of individuals or individual churches, but that happens all the time in Protestantism. In fact, many Protestant churches are named after people and some even encourage a separate nature to all individual churches."
Again, I don't know what this means. People are baptized "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." I don't know what you mean by "individuals."
I especially don't know what the last half of the last sentence means - separate nature?
Is naming Catholic Churches after Mary or Peter or Paul different?
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“Most Protestants believe that we are saved by faith alone, despite the fact that the only place where those words appear together in The Bible is to say that we are *not* saved by faith alone.”
Well, that is not accurate. We are saved by Grace alone. God's grace. God's grace is the object in which we place our faith.
Which verse are you referring to?
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:9
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by His grace.” Romans 3:23,
I could go on, but chose not to.
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How about you try this. This is from CNN this morning quoting your Leader who speaks infallible words on these subjects.
"I believe this is a time of mercy, a change of epoch," the pope said when asked about divorce.
Francis also showed "greater compassion for divorced and remarried Catholics, a group that has long felt marginalized in the church, and called for a `deeper theology' on the role of women in the church."
Pope Francis said Monday that he will not "judge" gays and lesbians - including gay priests - “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis said in a wide-ranging news conference .
"I have no idea what you mean by acceptable to do."
ReplyDeleteThen you clearly have no understanding of either history or current affairs, as divorce is very common in Protestant communities. some churches are even thinking of making it a sacrament. The right to divorce his wife is considered the formal cause for the creation of the Anglican church. Don't even get me started on Luther's acceptance of bigamy.
"Again, I don't know what this means. People are baptized "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." I don't know what you mean by 'individuals.'"
Look to the entire Anabaptist movement. Re-baptism is a defining quality of their thousands of churches. Then you have other Protestant churches who pick and chose which other church they won't accept baptism from (usually Catholics and Orthodox).
Don't forget that my original point is the fact that it was their churches themselves, not so much their way of baptising, that I took exception to. They are built around the teachings of post 16th century pastors.
"For by grace you are saved" ... exactly. Not through faith alone as Protestantism claims. They literally call their dogma "Sola Fide" meaning "Faith Alone" despite the fact that it is written "Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?"
I could go on about how Ephesians was all about "works by the law" but I feel I could get too off topic.
I love how you decide to quote the pope now. You *define* the term cherry picker. You criticise the man and then try to use what he said (out of context I might add) to prove other points.
Never mind the fact that when he said "I believe this is a time of mercy, a change of epoch" he was talking about the possibility of allowing divorcees to receive communion and not allowing divorce and/or divorce and remarriage. Actually, divorce and remarriage would completely preclude the possibility of receiving communion as that would be adultery.
"Pope Francis said Monday that he will not 'judge' gays and lesbians"
what's that saying? "Judge not lest ye be judged."
He can not judge the person (simply for have same sex attractions), but he has still been clear to say that sex morality is required of all people. No sex outside of marriage, people should be faithful to your spouse, no same sex unions.
Again, you might want to start actually reading about what you criticise first.
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