Wednesday, April 28, 2010
The 1.6% Solution
1.6% of the North American population says to Christians that it is wrong for Christians to try to convince others that Christian beliefs are true. So convinced of this are members of this small group that they are trying to convince everyone that their beliefs are true. Through books, YouTube, the education system, Bill Boards and any other means possible, these people are pushing hard, hard, hard for their view point to be the one dominant view point for people of the world. These people must maintain this implausible position or their belief system will collapse.
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Wah wah! Are you sad that you can no longer burn us at the stake? You can no longer imprison or fine us (in this country at least) for not believing!
ReplyDelete1.6% of the North American population
ReplyDelete1.6% again!? Dude, are you doing it on purpose? Hilarious...
...says to Christians that it is wrong for Christians to try to convince others that Christian beliefs are true.
Nothing wrong with TRYING. Personally, I encourage discussions, but you're the one who cannot have discussions with the secular world... and secular does NOT mean atheist you know...
So convinced of this are members of this small group that they are trying to convince everyone that their beliefs are true.
What beliefs? Rejecting god does not entitle anyone to believe anything, but of course, we already know that you do not care nor understand that idea...
Through books, YouTube, the education system, Bill Boards and any other means possible, these people are pushing hard, hard, hard for their view point to be the one dominant view point for people of the world.
Again, what the fuck are you talking about? What view points? You mean promoting education? scientific knowledge? social justice? What exactly? As an atheist I do not try to push anything else more than any other person. You're the one who has a blog bashing certain groups of people, exposing your hate, intolerance and misunderstandings to the readers of this blog.
These people must maintain this implausible position or their belief system will collapse.
I like when you copy/paste that line, it's like a trademark, empty of any meaning or value, just something we can associate to you because you're the one who keep saying it without any justification.
Cheers!
Reminder, just in case...
ReplyDelete1.6% is actually the number of atheist AND agnostic combined, in the USA only, for surveys done in 2008. There is a sentence on a Wikipedia article that mentions the 1.6% but I did not see it in any source, it was only a sum of two other numbers.
I pasted some links in the comment section of the following post to the appropriate references (which were ignored obviously...).
http://thesauros-store.blogspot.com/2010/04/16-solution_11.html
So if it was just atheists it would be like .6%? That actually seems about right.
ReplyDeleteImplausible?
ReplyDelete...Like a talking snake? Like a man who built a giant ship within walking distance of every species in the world to save animals from a flood that covered pretty much all the land mass of the earth? Like magically changing water into wine? Like coming back from the dead? Like magic angels assigned to watch over us? (I think some of them sleep on the job) like telepathically begging to a magical being that trancends space/time? Like oceans turning into blood? Like parting a sea? Like surviving in the belly of a whale for a while? Like living to be 190 years old in a time where the life expectancy was more like 29? Like a magical curse that kills all the first born sons in town? Like materializing cooked fish and bread out of thin air? Like an angel turned bad boy that has an underground lair where he maintains a fire that burns for an eternity? Like getting pregnant while being a vigin? Like a magical star appearing for a single night for the birth of a man that happens to be the son of god and god? like using a non surgical, purely magical method of giving a blind man sight? like walking on water? like spirits appearing out of nowhere and talking to you? like predicting the future? like having a soul that transends your death and carries your conciousness on for nothing less than an eternity? Like ANYTHING in the book of revelations? like morphing into a pillar of salt, like a magical tree with fruit that grants the knowledge of god? like monsters, angels, giants, beasts and massiahs? ....
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.... oh, not those things, your talking about actual crazy stuff like NOT believing in all those things.
Like getting pregnant while being a vigin?
ReplyDeletePfff, ignorant, REAL Christians dont believe in that crazy virgin story. The rest seems about right.
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So if it was just atheists it would be like .6%? That actually seems about right.
ReplyDeletePerhaps, but who would that be? Anybody who you do not agree with? That would be more than .6 I guess...
You don't know the definition of an atheist Hugo?
ReplyDeleteWhat I know is that we don't agree on the various definitions...
ReplyDeleteI have a serious question mak, even though it may sound provacative, it's not my intent to purposely insult but...Can you imagine Jesus going poop? I'm not just trying to be a troublemaker with that statement, but really... There is an image of Christ that people maintain, and imagining him squatting down above a hole, straining to pinch one off is not consistant with the Jesus who walks on water. Did Jesus regularly go #2? or even him standing by a bush, draining the lizard. Did Jesus fart? Did Jesus have pubic hair? I'm being serious, actually. I think its an important question, because of the image we have of Jesus, but do Christians believe he had regular bodily functions?
ReplyDeleteWhy is that difficult to imagine? He got tired. He cried. He became angry. He will have puked on occasion, been sexually aroused, had headaches.
ReplyDeleteThe difference between the man Jesus, and you and I is not His physical and emotional character but how He dealt with His physical and emotional characteristics. That is what set Him apart from us. This would have been most apparent in how He handled worry, fear, sexual arousal and anger.
"but do Christians believe he had regular bodily functions?"
By and large, Christians are not the ones who struggle with the real Jesus. We are the one's who are drawn to Jesus because of His earthiness. The Bible tells us that we have a Saviour who can sympathise with us because He knows what it's like to be a human.
I appreciate the sober response actually. If I would have posted that on Ray comfort's blog I would have been banned or something, and I do think it's a perfectly valid question. But someone like comfort can't look past the vulgarity and onto the honesty of the question.
ReplyDeleteThe Bible tells us that we have a Saviour who can sympathise with us because He knows what it's like to be a human.
ReplyDeleteAnother honest question... how could he know what it's like to be a human without sinning? Isn't it an intrinsic part of what being human is?
I would be tempted to reply myself that he simply had urges to sin like anybody else but was better than other humans and never comited any?
However that would still leave another question opened: was he able to feel the same guilt and fear that his followers now feel because of him? and whether he did feel guilt or not, did he also feel the same relief when thinking of the promise of heaven? Could he understand that relief without feeling the guilt in the first place?
It's interesting because last time I thought about Jesus being able to sympathise with us was when I was still a believer, and I remember clearly that my feeling was that it was wonderful to have a caring god who really understands us; no need to ask more questions... I now realize that it's much more complicated than that, and really hard to describe logically!