Bret - The end

It’s usually at this stage of the discussion that atheists, the honest ones anyhow, admit that, “All you’ve done is show that this is a Deistic universe.”

That’s quite a statement, one that means that person is no longer an atheist - at least intellectually. He'll probably still live as though Creator God doesn't exist but in the back of h/her mind, he knows the truth. Actually, I believe that one day there won’t be any such thing as an atheist. And it will be science that makes that possible - inevitable! There will be only those who are for Creator God and those who are against their Creator.

The facts that I’ve been presenting to Bret and Hugo and anyone else who is listening do indeed show at the very least, that something from outside of and that is transcendent to nature brought the material universe into existence.

And yet, most atheists will ignore this fact while they hope for the day when someone, somewhere will come up with a third option, something - anything - that excludes Creator God as the solution to the origins of matter. In fact, most atheists will enter hell still waiting for their “miracle” answer.

Hugo knows that:
. There cannot be an infinite regress of cause, yet he lives as though there can.
. Matter has not existed for eternity, yet he lives as though it has.
. Matter cannot bring itself into existence, yet he lives as though it did.

Hugo claims that his belief in these things has led him to conclude that Creator God does not exist. In fact, he says, he’s positive.

It is truly, truly sad but such is the case for those who have committed their lives to being the masters of their fate and the captains of their soul. God has said to these people, So be it. Chart your course. Whether you go east or west, north or south, your destination will be the same. You will have indeed been responsible for where you end up.