Friday, September 2, 2011
Bret and Hugo
First of all, Hugo - always Hugo. Do you really believe that people do wrong things because the right thing isn’t written clearly enough? Drive the speed limit and you’ll soon see that you are one of the slowest vehicles on the road. Is that because the speed limit isn’t written clearly enough?
Are there 25,000 murders in the U.S. every year because the law isn’t clear that murder is wrong? I mean come on. You aren’t that stupid.
It’s our sinful nature that makes us twist right and wrong to suit our desires. If a "christian" man wants to "rule over" his wife he'll use something in the Bible, like Genesis 3:16 not because it isn't clear to those who want to do what's right, but because he wants to twist it for his own purposes. I've noticed in counselling that our favourite Bible verses say an awful lot about our personalities and where we're at in our journey. The younger people tend to focus on Justice and the older people underline or highlight Mercy.
If a person wants to do what’s right. If a person wants to find out what is the right thing to do, the Bible is crystal clear. Check out this post and see how confusing it is:
http://makarios-makarios.blogspot.com/2009/06/atheist-women-reject-kindness.html
So - Bret. As you know, according to the Bible, the man is the spiritual leader of the home. Not because he is better, smarter, more favoured etc. but because we live in an ordered precise universe. Anyhow - A Spiritual Leader Models For The Family:
Forgiveness
Submission
Servant-leadership
Gentleness
Humility
Love
Mercy
That’s our job, to show our family what those things look like. If we, as husbands and dads don’t do our job properly, our children, like so many others will view Christianity and Hypocrisy as synonymous. Anybody can go to Church. Anybody can read the Bible. Anybody can Pray. Only someone in an intimate, healed and forgiven relationship with Jesus wants to live and love as He lived and loved. THAT is what our children need to see from us. They see it most obviously in how we love our wives.
See also:
http://thesauros-store.blogspot.com/2011/03/jesus-our-role-model-and-women.html
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I think your points don't really address the misogyny that runs rampant through the Bible. I'm glad you have devised a way of being a good man, husband and father, but I assure you: you came up with it, and it didn't come from the Bible.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Hugo - always Hugo.
ReplyDeleteRod, always Rod... what comes right after this show once more how you see things in Black or White while I see shades of Grey, but you don't understand that.
Do you really believe that people do wrong things because the right thing isn’t written clearly enough?
No... the point is that morality cannot be derived from a big book of multiple choice like the Bible. Yes there are useful morality stories in it, but ultimately, our sense of morality, both as individuals and as a society, is much more complex than what you seem to try to make it look like.
Drive the speed limit and you’ll soon see that you are one of the slowest vehicles on the road. Is that because the speed limit isn’t written clearly enough?
Really? Ever noticed that it's not that simple? To use the same analogy, sometimes people go slower than the limit, sometimes people go faster, sometimes people go much faster. Some places have speed limits that are higher yet fewer accidents... and so on...
Are there 25,000 murders in the U.S. every year because the law isn’t clear that murder is wrong? I mean come on. You aren’t that stupid.
Thanks I guess...
Hey, by the way, I am still puzzled as to what you consider to be God's wrath. To be more explicit, I personally don't see God's wrath anywhere, so I am wondering where you see it? Or if you believe that God's wrath is only going to be felt by people sent to Hell after death?
I think your points don't really address the misogyny that runs rampant through the Bible."\
ReplyDeleteAnd I think you didn't read: Jesus - our role model and Women.
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Good questions about wrath. I will get to it but my kids, one of my kids, and s/he ain't talking, broke my printer and I'm installing a new one so I'll get back to you.
Nor did you read the other post http://makarios-makarios.blogspot.com/2009/06/atheist-women-reject-kindness.html
ReplyDeleteOr, if you did read it and still think the Bible advocates mysogyny, well, I don't know what to say. On the other hand, if you are noting that the Bible describes mysogyny and every other horror that humans are capable of inflicting on each other, and if you are trying to enforce 2011 cultural norms on 3,000 BC cultural norms, then I'll agree with you. It's there for all to see.
As far as God's wrath goes:
The wrath of God, as I understand it, that is being witnessed today, is His withdrawing His protection from our ability to resist sin (resist harming each other and ourselves) and the consequences of that sin.
I mean think about it. Even though casual sex can literally kill us, millions upon millions upon hundreds of millions of people cannot stop themselves from screwing strangers.
Even though sex outside of marriage can destroy our ability to produce children (STD’s), have honest relationships, destroy marriages etc. etc. millions upon millions upon hundred of millions of people can’t stop themselves from screwing around. They can’t do it.
We know the dangers of smoking, yet millions start every year and tens of thousands die every day from the consequences.
We continue to do, unabated those things that destroy our world, our communities, our families and ourselves. We set up as idols: relationships, looks, power, position, health, wealth etc. those things that can be yanked out of our lives in the blink of a eye, causing us to lead very, very precarious lives.
We seem to carry within us a tendency to self-destruct. When warned of something bad that could result from our thoughts or behaviours, we think:
. It won’t happen
. If it does happen it won’t be very bad
. If it does happen and it’s bad, it won’t happen to me
. If it does happen to me and it’s bad, there was nothing I could have done about it anyhow.
Listen to the News Broadcast, any News Broadcast and 99% of it is a review of what satan has been doing in people’s lives that day.
God’s wrath is not some petulant burst of anger like we display. His is a just and holy revulsion toward that which is destroying our lives and toward those who have chosen to side with that which destroys life.
His wrath is shown in allowing us to chose that which will destroy us or that which will make the quality of our lives worse. For example - Hugo.
You don’t know the damage that living together before marriage does to a marriage so you disobey God by living common-law. Or at least it sounds as though you are planning on doing so. God’s wrath is shown in allowing you to do what you want and you WILL experience the consequences.
This of course is all separate from the more obvious wrath involved in allowing you to continue down your chosen path toward an eternity in hell.
Thanks for the answer!
ReplyDeleteLooks like I did have more things to learn from you after all. I honestly did not know you were seeing things like this.