1.6% of the North American population says that the Bible can’t be trusted in what it says.
Example: Before archaeology forced them to change their position, these people stated that the Babylonian captivity never took place. After all, “only” the Bible told of it so it must be myth.
Why would atheists do that? Well, according to atheists, if any historical document has been included into the Bible it should automatically be considered a lie or legend or myth.
That is where the term, “Non historical kings of the Bible,” originated - from atheists.
Then, twenty-one pottery fragments inscribed in the ancient Hebrew script were unearthed in the latest pre-exilic levels of the Lachish (a city that until the time of the discovery only the Bible describes as being besieged by the Babylonians) site. Called the Lachish Ostraca, they were written during the very time of the Babylonian siege. Some of them are exchanges between the city’s military commander and an outlying observation post, vividly picturing the final days of Judah’s desperate struggle against Babylon! Since the 1930s, there has been more unearthing of Babylonian historical texts describing the conquest of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. Despite the erroneous claims of atheists, the historical fact of the Babylonian captivity is firmly established.
Sadly, this 1.6% of the population still maintains their position that what the Bible says cannot be trusted. In fact more atheists - not fewer but MORE atheists - are saying that most if not all of the New Testament is pure fiction. Atheists claim that the stated authors were not the real authors. The events described were not real events. Yes the Christian Church exists today but not because of any of the events described in the New Testament.
As two atheists recently boasted:
“Give me 100 different versions of the New Testament written by a 100 different people and I will still not believe it.” - ‘hugo’ - 6/29/10
“jesus never existed and the bible is mythology" - ‘the 40-year-old atheist’ - 6/22/10
Because these type of comments completely ignore historical fact, the comments sound closed-minded and bigoted. The fact is, atheists must say this or their world-view will collapse. Will similar examples to the one documented today put an end to these people’s claim that the Bible can’t be trusted? Of course not. Just like those who deny the Holocaust, no amount of evidence will be enough to change their minds.
This is what these people are like. It’s how they think.
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LOL! I love how the quotes are dated...it makes them very official.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I suppose I could try to argue that MOST atheists do not automatically reject the historical information in the bible on the sole merit of it's source, but eh', that's never gotten us anywhere. I suppose I could argue that historical validity does not grant the automatic and consequential validity in the supernatural mythology attached to the archeology, but eh', it's never done any good so far.
I suppose I could contest your rather exaggerated analogy that contrasts holocaust denial with atheism, but eh' it won't do any good. I suppose I could mock your sarcastic comment about christianity's foundation of new testament history by means of highlighting the foundations of ideologies void of historical support but eh', why bother? In fact, I could continue this comment but eh', I'll go play scrabble instead.
ReplyDeleteHugo, June 29th:
ReplyDeleteit’s NOT because the texts are part of the Bible that they are hard to believe, it’s the freaking content that is insanely improbable and not proven by anything else than texts.
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If something is supposed to have happened back then that would not be believable NOW, I have no reason to believe some text that claim to explain it.
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Give me 100 different versions of the New Testament written by a 100 different people and I will still not believe it. Period.
In other words, NO, I will never believe the PARTS of the New Testament that say some magical things happen. NEVER. But it's not because it is the NT, it's because MAGIC is NOT real, it's imaginary. At best, what we have in the NT are some special events that impressed people 2,000 years ago. People who knew less about the world than the average 8 year old Canadian or American of today.
You are not able to process various comments one after the other to understand the context? What's wrong with you?
Thesauros, on June 30th (for the Xth time):
according to atheists, if any historical document has been included into the Bible it should automatically be considered a lie or legend or myth.
You are dishonest;
you are a liar;
and today I need to add:
you are a quote mining bastard.
I cannot believe you just call me bigot and close-minded. You are really a premium asshole. You lie, misrepresent people, claim to have discuss with many atheists for 3 years, and continue, day after day, to insult people you are not able to understand.
Just like those who deny the Holocaust, no amount of evidence will be enough to change their minds.
Oh so you want to compare supernatural events with the Holocaust? Are you fucking insane??
Holocaust: millions of people killed by a bunch of crazy Nazis, or, in other words, a GENOCIDE.
Let's think for 2-3 seconds, or maybe 2-3 minutes for Thesauros... did we ever witness genocide during our lifetime? I think yes. Did we at least ever see many people getting killed by others? Yes. So what's so special about people being killed en masse!? NOTHING.
Did that particular genocide, the Holocaust occur? We got pictures of the dam thing... come on!!
But even if we had nothing else but a written text talking about the Holocaust, no picture, no testimonies, just a few text, maybe a journal of someone, something like that, it would still be POSSIBLE. Genocide, no matter how it is presented, is a possible event for the simple reason that we have seen it happen before. Nothing more to justify.
Do I really need to compare this with not believing a zombie came back from the dead to tell people to spread the good news? Do I really need to compare this with angels, demons, witches, spirits, ghosts, miracles, and all that supernatural shit most people are getting rid of their belief system?
There can be one "good" reason to believe in God, and it's called having FAITH. Stop trying to pretend it's anything else than that.
More importantly, stop pretending that because of that faith, you are morally superior, since you are clearly one of the most dishonest person I have ever met, online or in real person. Seriously. No exaggeration here.
Plus, you also happen to be someone who is clearly not as intelligent as the other people commenting here or myself. That sounds arrogant but I know my strength and weaknesses, I know what aptitudes my education background gave me and what my IQ correspond to compared to the average population.
I also doubt that, living in a rural region of the Canadian prairies, you have much contact with people who have completely different views and opinions than yours. I don't know if it has always been the case but you clearly do not know how to interpret what other people can think if they have different backgrounds and beliefs. You admitted yourself that atheist are all the same to you. Heck, that's pretty large since you even include people who are NOT even atheist in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIn short, you deserve to be ridicule for your ignorance, anti-social attitude and pretentions of divine knowledge. The content of this blog makes you look more foolish than any other means possible… and you do that all by yourself; pretty amazing.
@Atheistsnackbar
ReplyDeleteya anyway I was writing a long insulting comment already, since he attacked me personally... always relaxing to do that.
Enjoy Scrabble, I'll go enjoy more of Oslo :)
according to atheists, if any historical document has been included into the Bible it should automatically be considered a lie or legend or myth.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you consider lying to be a sin, Rod?
“I know what aptitudes my education background gave me and what my IQ correspond to compared to the average population.”
ReplyDeleteOh honey, I could tell right off that you were a Bright. I was going to wait and see how long you would, on the one hand, talk about supernatural events and why you don’t believe them, while on the other hand feign ignorance regarding the meaning of the term “supernatural.” Talk about a schizophrenic existence! I thought today (after three weeks) might be the day, but no, you’re still the same old “Say anything Hugo.”
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The comparison that I make to those who deny the Holocaust has to do with the fact that for both atheists and anti-Semites, commitment to each of your world-views precludes any amount of evidence.
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“stop pretending that because of that faith, you are morally superior”
Where have I ever - EVER - written anything that suggests that I think I'm morally superior to anyone?
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“since he attacked me personally”
You mean quoting you is an attack? Most people consider quoted flattering. Are you ashamed of what you said? Of course not. You're quite aware of your capabilities. Not only are you obviously a Bright but humble too.
Go ego - I mean hugo!
The projection is strong with this one...
ReplyDeleteYeah, coming back from dinner there is another message!
ReplyDeleteOh honey, I could tell right off that you were a Bright.
What is a Bright with a capital B?
My point was that from the way you write it is obvious that I have more general scientific knowledge than you. One simple example: you don’t understand what infinity means in mathematical terms. You always avoid the subject each time we discussed cosmology; you simply accuse Atheists of believing in an infinite universe but you don’t even know what it means… you are simply not able to make the difference between the conceptual world and the real world.
Another example while I’m at it, because I mentioned it in the previous comment and you won’t answer anyway, just to illustrate the point. You don’t understand what life is in a biological sense. You keep spouting the non-sense about how the first complex cell had to have a certain degree of complexity. It shows that you simply don’t understand where the fine line between chemistry and biology is.
I was going to wait and see how long you would, on the one hand, talk about supernatural events and why you don’t believe them, while on the other hand feign ignorance regarding the meaning of the term “supernatural.” Talk about a schizophrenic existence! I thought today (after three weeks) might be the day, but no, you’re still the same old “Say anything Hugo.”
You’re a moron. Wasn’t it clear enough that I did not know what the definition was FOR YOU!?
And no, you are also a moron for saying that I talk about “supernatural events and why you don’t believe them” because I don’t talk about the events in question as being supernatural. People like YOU say that they are supernatural, but up to now, I have concluded that these events or either completely false, because in contradiction to physical laws, like a virgin birth, or unexplained, like the origin of the universe.
You, on the other hand, claim that we should make exceptions for certain events only because some people believe really really hard that they happened, or that because we have yet no explanation. I don’t make any exceptions, you do. Why? Because you’re the one with a world-view requiring such exceptions, I don’t adhere to such belief system where you need to leave space for extraordinary events that defy physical laws once in a while.
The comparison that I make to those who deny the Holocaust has to do with the fact that for both atheists and anti-Semites, commitment to each of your world-views precludes any amount of evidence.
ReplyDeleteRidiculous, it only illustrate that you do not understand what I believe and why. You don’t understand my worldview, and you said yourself that you don’t give a shit anyway to learn what it is or how it work. YOU are the one who has a pre-supposition that God exist, and that because I don’t believe that, my world-view must be based on that to.
I have to repeat… I told you many times that the fact that I don’t believe in any gods is a consequence of my world-view, NOT a pre-requisite. So I don’t see what you are talking about when you say that my “world-views precludes any amount of evidence”; IT DOES NOT. Or perhaps you don’t agree that I exist? Because yes that’s something that I assume, I have to admit it. I have FAITH that I exist. I cannot prove it to you. I might be in some sort of Matrix-thing, but I have FAITH that it is not the case… but I’ll stop here, since you don’t care about my world-view that you know sweet nothing about, even though it is so simple…
Where have I ever - EVER - written anything that suggests that I think I'm morally superior to anyone?
You don’t do it directly no; that’s correct. (See, I grant you things by the way. Something you have a hard time doing.) But you ALWAYS do it indirectly by saying that we claim to be good people when we are not. You insist that we all need to repent. Obviously, you do repent, and we don’t, so what does that make you? Well that makes you the ‘good’ guy who follows his Lord and Savior while we are the morons who prefer to sin all day without repenting.
You are not even able to discuss the logic behind moral choices but you claim to have definite moral standards that come directly from a perfect God. That is non-sense. You are much worse than people, religious or not, who use their brain, empathy, and feelings to try to figure out what’s good or bad. It’s always complicated; almost nothing is black or white. But you, by claiming that you have some immutable rules to follow that come from God’s word, are not able to analyze issues when they conflict with these rules.
You mean quoting you is an attack? Most people consider quoted flattering.
First, you quote-mined me by showing the section of my comment that said that I won’t ever believe in the NT. That was dishonest and an attack on my integrity. I do not reject the NT because it is the NT and you know it. Or if you still don’t get it you are fucking retarded and I won’t believe that since you can use a computer…
Second, more importantly, you forgot what you wrote I believe:
These type of comments sound closed-minded and bigoted but atheists must say this or their world-view will collapse. Will similar examples to the one documented today put an end to these people’s claim that the Bible can’t be trusted? Of course not. Just like those who deny the Holocaust, no amount of evidence will be enough to change their minds.
If that is NOT calling me abigot, I don’t know what is.
If that is NOT calling me close-minded, I don’t know what is.
If that is NOT comparing my beliefs to those who believe the Holocaust did not happen, I don’t know what is.
Yes, you attacked me personally, well the virtual me… and I have no problem doing it to you in return in order to expose your bigotry.
I think I’ll go back to just commenting on what you write though, it is clear that you are not able to discuss anything and I fell back again trying to do so again…
calling people bigots and comparing them to holocaust deniers just because they don't believe in magic is pretty fucking disgusting.
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